Past TO post links

Post by RonO
Now that google isn't archiving Newsgroups how do we link back to past
posts? I used to always use the google address for a post because it was
easy to get it, but that hasn't been possible after Google stopped
supporting newsgroups.
I've tried to find how eternal september could do it, but they do not
seem to have a feature to provide the post address like google had.

Maybe this? Some people like Daggett and Burkhard had posted from this
site.

*Hemidactylus*

2024-09-18 14:39:05 UTC

Oops this:

https://www.novabbs.com/interests/thread.php?group=talk.origins

Forgot to paste the link.

RonO

2024-09-18 17:25:17 UTC

https://www.novabbs.com/interests/thread.php?group=talk.origins
Forgot to paste the link.

Yes. It does have a copy link tab.

Thanks.

erik simpson

2024-09-18 14:56:46 UTC

Using Thunderbolt as the mail interface makes it pretty easy. You can
specify how many posts to read. If 100000 doesn't get the ones you
want, try 150000. It can take a while to load all that. Is there
anything back there that's really work reading again?

Bob Casanova

2024-09-18 16:26:39 UTC

On Wed, 18 Sep 2024 07:56:46 -0700, the following appeared
in talk.origins, posted by erik simpson

Worth reading again? Not usually, but beloved by those like
Peter Nyikos who delighted in dragging up multiple, usually
out-of-context and/or frequently irrelevant, snippets and
combining them into a single "wall o' text".

--
Bob C.

"The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"

- Isaac Asimov

RonO

2024-09-18 17:32:00 UTC

Post by Bob Casanova
On Wed, 18 Sep 2024 07:56:46 -0700, the following appeared
in talk.origins, posted by erik simpson

Nyikos would do that because he could quote mine and only take the part
of the post that he wanted to lie about. He had this notion of a self
contained lie, that he was supposed to have never told. Nyikos would
make sure that the material he was lying about was not in the post where
he was lying. It is why he would snip out the relevant material before
replying to a post.

What I need is a way to link back to the whole post, so that you can see
the context if you want to check it out.

Ron Okimoto

Bob Casanova

2024-09-19 04:15:09 UTC

On Wed, 18 Sep 2024 12:32:00 -0500, the following appeared

Post by Bob Casanova
On Wed, 18 Sep 2024 07:56:46 -0700, the following appeared
in talk.origins, posted by erik simpson

Nyikos would do that because he could quote mine and only take the part
of the post that he wanted to lie about.

Sure; that's what I meant by "multiple, usually
out-of-context and/or frequently irrelevant, snippets":
quote mining, plus irrelevancies.

Post by RonO
He had this notion of a self
contained lie, that he was supposed to have never told. Nyikos would
make sure that the material he was lying about was not in the post where
he was lying. It is why he would snip out the relevant material before
replying to a post.
What I need is a way to link back to the whole post, so that you can see
the context if you want to check it out.

If you have the message ID that should be enough, whether
Gurgle has it or not. If not (and I confess I really don't
know) you're out of luck.

--
Bob C.

"The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"

- Isaac Asimov

jillery

2024-09-20 11:31:13 UTC

Post by Bob Casanova
On Wed, 18 Sep 2024 07:56:46 -0700, the following appeared
in talk.origins, posted by erik simpson

Nyikos would do that because he could quote mine and only take the part
of the post that he wanted to lie about. He had this notion of a self
contained lie, that he was supposed to have never told. Nyikos would
make sure that the material he was lying about was not in the post where
he was lying. It is why he would snip out the relevant material before
replying to a post.
What I need is a way to link back to the whole post, so that you can see
the context if you want to check it out.
Ron Okimoto

Most of the bigger Usenet servers like Giganews claim to archive posts
for text froups like T.O. going back at least 10 years.

Agent has the ability to locally archive and search past posts. It's
ability to search using keywords is reasonably extensive. I have
archived T.O. since 1/1/2010. If anybody has a need, I can provide
complete copies of past posts going back to then.

--
To know less than we don't know is the nature of most knowledge

RonO

2024-09-20 13:54:16 UTC

Post by jillery

Post by Bob Casanova
On Wed, 18 Sep 2024 07:56:46 -0700, the following appeared
in talk.origins, posted by erik simpson

Nyikos would do that because he could quote mine and only take the part
of the post that he wanted to lie about. He had this notion of a self
contained lie, that he was supposed to have never told. Nyikos would
make sure that the material he was lying about was not in the post where
he was lying. It is why he would snip out the relevant material before
replying to a post.
What I need is a way to link back to the whole post, so that you can see
the context if you want to check it out.
Ron Okimoto

Most of the bigger Usenet servers like Giganews claim to archive posts
for text froups like T.O. going back at least 10 years.
Agent has the ability to locally archive and search past posts. It's
ability to search using keywords is reasonably extensive. I have
archived T.O. since 1/1/2010. If anybody has a need, I can provide
complete copies of past posts going back to then.

I am going to stick with eternal september and try the other options
that have been suggested. They seem to work.

Ron Okimoto

Post by jillery
--
To know less than we don't know is the nature of most knowledge

erik simpson

2024-09-20 14:18:16 UTC

Post by jillery

Post by Bob Casanova
On Wed, 18 Sep 2024 07:56:46 -0700, the following appeared
in talk.origins, posted by erik simpson

Nyikos would do that because he could quote mine and only take the part
of the post that he wanted to lie about. He had this notion of a self
contained lie, that he was supposed to have never told. Nyikos would
make sure that the material he was lying about was not in the post where
he was lying. It is why he would snip out the relevant material before
replying to a post.
What I need is a way to link back to the whole post, so that you can see
the context if you want to check it out.
Ron Okimoto

Most of the bigger Usenet servers like Giganews claim to archive posts
for text froups like T.O. going back at least 10 years.
Agent has the ability to locally archive and search past posts. It's
ability to search using keywords is reasonably extensive. I have
archived T.O. since 1/1/2010. If anybody has a need, I can provide
complete copies of past posts going back to then.
--
To know less than we don't know is the nature of most knowledge

With all that data, you could compile a book of Peter's contributions.
Ugh. Ugh. Ugh.

Bob Casanova

2024-09-20 17:22:49 UTC

On Fri, 20 Sep 2024 07:18:16 -0700, the following appeared
in talk.origins, posted by erik simpson

Post by jillery

Post by Bob Casanova
On Wed, 18 Sep 2024 07:56:46 -0700, the following appeared
in talk.origins, posted by erik simpson

Nyikos would do that because he could quote mine and only take the part
of the post that he wanted to lie about. He had this notion of a self
contained lie, that he was supposed to have never told. Nyikos would
make sure that the material he was lying about was not in the post where
he was lying. It is why he would snip out the relevant material before
replying to a post.
What I need is a way to link back to the whole post, so that you can see
the context if you want to check it out.
Ron Okimoto

Most of the bigger Usenet servers like Giganews claim to archive posts
for text froups like T.O. going back at least 10 years.
Agent has the ability to locally archive and search past posts. It's
ability to search using keywords is reasonably extensive. I have
archived T.O. since 1/1/2010. If anybody has a need, I can provide
complete copies of past posts going back to then.
--
To know less than we don't know is the nature of most knowledge

With all that data, you could compile a book of Peter's contributions.
Ugh. Ugh. Ugh.

Or you could ram red-hot pokers into your eyes...

--
Bob C.

"The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"

- Isaac Asimov

jillery

2024-09-24 13:15:02 UTC

On Fri, 20 Sep 2024 07:18:16 -0700, erik simpson

Post by erik simpson
With all that data, you could compile a book of Peter's contributions.

Or your's.

Post by erik simpson
Ugh. Ugh. Ugh.

I could do that, but to what end?

--
To know less than we don't know is the nature of most knowledge

erik simpson

2024-09-24 15:34:25 UTC

Post by jillery
On Fri, 20 Sep 2024 07:18:16 -0700, erik simpson

Post by erik simpson
With all that data, you could compile a book of Peter's contributions.

Or your's.

Post by erik simpson
Ugh. Ugh. Ugh.

I could do that, but to what end?
--
To know less than we don't know is the nature of most knowledge

I should have "one could compile a book". But I wouldn't suggest that
anybody should.

*Hemidactylus*

2024-09-25 00:53:20 UTC

Post by jillery
On Fri, 20 Sep 2024 07:18:16 -0700, erik simpson

Post by erik simpson
With all that data, you could compile a book of Peter's contributions.

Or your's.

Post by erik simpson
Ugh. Ugh. Ugh.

I could do that, but to what end?
--
To know less than we don't know is the nature of most knowledge

I should have "one could compile a book". But I wouldn't suggest that
anybody should.

There’s enough online to generate an AI version (a mindclone). Imagine how
fun that might be.

erik simpson

2024-09-25 15:12:15 UTC

Post by jillery
On Fri, 20 Sep 2024 07:18:16 -0700, erik simpson

Post by erik simpson
With all that data, you could compile a book of Peter's contributions.

Or your's.

Post by erik simpson
Ugh. Ugh. Ugh.

I could do that, but to what end?
--
To know less than we don't know is the nature of most knowledge

I should have "one could compile a book". But I wouldn't suggest that
anybody should.

There’s enough online to generate an AI version (a mindclone). Imagine how
fun that might be.

An AI version of Peter (or me)? Even more ughs.

*Hemidactylus*

2024-09-25 19:24:04 UTC

Post by jillery
On Fri, 20 Sep 2024 07:18:16 -0700, erik simpson

Post by erik simpson
With all that data, you could compile a book of Peter's contributions.

Or your's.

Post by erik simpson
Ugh. Ugh. Ugh.

I could do that, but to what end?
--
To know less than we don't know is the nature of most knowledge

I should have "one could compile a book". But I wouldn't suggest that
anybody should.

There’s enough online to generate an AI version (a mindclone). Imagine how
fun that might be.

An AI version of Peter (or me)? Even more ughs.

An AI Erik might be interesting.

erik simpson

2024-09-25 21:47:54 UTC

Post by jillery
On Fri, 20 Sep 2024 07:18:16 -0700, erik simpson

Post by erik simpson
With all that data, you could compile a book of Peter's contributions.

Or your's.

Post by erik simpson
Ugh. Ugh. Ugh.

I could do that, but to what end?
--
To know less than we don't know is the nature of most knowledge

I should have "one could compile a book". But I wouldn't suggest that
anybody should.

There’s enough online to generate an AI version (a mindclone). Imagine how
fun that might be.

An AI version of Peter (or me)? Even more ughs.

An AI Erik might be interesting.

Artificial intelligence is better than none.

LDagget

2024-10-04 15:07:28 UTC

Post by jillery
On Fri, 20 Sep 2024 07:18:16 -0700, erik simpson

Post by erik simpson
With all that data, you could compile a book of Peter's contributions.

Or your's.

Post by erik simpson
Ugh. Ugh. Ugh.

I could do that, but to what end?
--
To know less than we don't know is the nature of most knowledge

I should have "one could compile a book". But I wouldn't suggest that
anybody should.

There’s enough online to generate an AI version (a mindclone). Imagine how
fun that might be.

An AI version of Peter (or me)? Even more ughs.

An AI Erik might be interesting.

Artificial intelligence is better than none.

[3rd try]

Not sure I agree, as AI tends to be artificial parroting.
Be that as it may, and be this talk.origins, this suggest creation
of a bot that responds with fragments or mash-ups of Python sketches.

It would have to use ... sarcasm, all the tricks, dramatic irony,
metaphor, pathos, puns, parody, litotes and... satire.
It would have to be vicious.

Kestrel Clayton

2024-09-25 17:00:41 UTC

Post by jillery
On Fri, 20 Sep 2024 07:18:16 -0700, erik simpson

Post by erik simpson
With all that data, you could compile a book of Peter's contributions.

Or your's.

Post by erik simpson
Ugh. Ugh. Ugh.

I could do that, but to what end?
--
To know less than we don't know is the nature of most knowledge

I should have "one could compile a book". But I wouldn't suggest that
anybody should.

There’s enough online to generate an AI version (a mindclone). Imagine how
fun that might be.

No. Please, no, I beg you.

--
[The address listed is a spam trap. To reply, take off every zig.]
Kestrel Clayton
I used to have a Kipling quote here,
but I'm not so fond of him any more.

*Hemidactylus*

2024-09-25 19:23:17 UTC

Post by Kestrel Clayton

Post by jillery
On Fri, 20 Sep 2024 07:18:16 -0700, erik simpson

Post by erik simpson
With all that data, you could compile a book of Peter's contributions.

Or your's.

Post by erik simpson
Ugh. Ugh. Ugh.

I could do that, but to what end?
--
To know less than we don't know is the nature of most knowledge

I should have "one could compile a book". But I wouldn't suggest that
anybody should.

There’s enough online to generate an AI version (a mindclone). Imagine how
fun that might be.

No. Please, no, I beg you.

I don’t have the chops for that and would think twice before unfurling it
upon the world if I did. Imagine the stuff said by posters decades ago it
might dredge up in mashup posts not germane to the thread topic while
crunching out new theories in both topology and vertebrate paleontology.

jillery

2024-09-26 09:47:39 UTC

On Tue, 24 Sep 2024 08:34:25 -0700, erik simpson

Post by jillery
On Fri, 20 Sep 2024 07:18:16 -0700, erik simpson

Post by erik simpson
With all that data, you could compile a book of Peter's contributions.

Or your's.

Post by erik simpson
Ugh. Ugh. Ugh.

I could do that, but to what end?

I should have "one could compile a book". But I wouldn't suggest that
anybody should.

A pointless distinction. The question remains.

--
To know less than we don't know is the nature of most knowledge

*Hemidactylus*

2024-09-27 19:31:14 UTC

Post by jillery
On Tue, 24 Sep 2024 08:34:25 -0700, erik simpson

Post by jillery
On Fri, 20 Sep 2024 07:18:16 -0700, erik simpson

Post by erik simpson
With all that data, you could compile a book of Peter's contributions.

Or your's.

Post by erik simpson
Ugh. Ugh. Ugh.

I could do that, but to what end?

I should have "one could compile a book". But I wouldn't suggest that
anybody should.

A pointless distinction. The question remains.

An AI jillery would lack the sense of humor.

jillery

2024-10-02 10:52:32 UTC

On Fri, 27 Sep 2024 19:31:14 +0000, *Hemidactylus*

Post by jillery
On Tue, 24 Sep 2024 08:34:25 -0700, erik simpson

Post by jillery
On Fri, 20 Sep 2024 07:18:16 -0700, erik simpson

Post by erik simpson
With all that data, you could compile a book of Peter's contributions.

Or your's.

Post by erik simpson
Ugh. Ugh. Ugh.

I could do that, but to what end?

I should have "one could compile a book". But I wouldn't suggest that
anybody should.

A pointless distinction. The question remains.

An AI jillery would lack the sense of humor.

An AI Hemidactlyus would fail to recognize its own lack of humor.

--
To know less than we don't know is the nature of most knowledge

André G. Isaak

2024-09-18 15:34:20 UTC

You can use the message ID.

People can then access articles from <http://al.howardknight.net>

André

--
To email remove 'invalid' & replace 'gm' with well known Google mail
service.

RonO

2024-09-18 17:38:55 UTC

Post by RonO
Now that google isn't archiving Newsgroups how do we link back to past
posts? I used to always use the google address for a post because it
was easy to get it, but that hasn't been possible after Google stopped
supporting newsgroups.
I've tried to find how eternal september could do it, but they do not
seem to have a feature to provide the post address like google had.
Ron Okimoto

You can use the message ID.
People can then access articles from <http://al.howardknight.net>
André

That works if you have the message ID.

For this post you get:
http://al.howardknight.net/?STYPE=msgid&MSGI=%3Cvcerts%2441fc%241%40dont-email.me%3E

Thanks.

Ron Okimoto

Martin Harran

2024-12-04 17:48:10 UTC

You can still link to old posts, I've given two links in reply to you
just a few minutes ago. GG still exists as an archive, just search
for the relevant post and click on the 3 dots beside it to get the
link.

Post by RonO
I've tried to find how eternal september could do it, but they do not
seem to have a feature to provide the post address like google had.
Ron Okimoto

jillery

2024-12-06 17:41:51 UTC

On Wed, 04 Dec 2024 17:48:10 +0000, Martin Harran

Given GG's infamous ability to repeatedly break their search engine,
it's likely that doing a successful search now is still the challenge.

Post by RonO
I've tried to find how eternal september could do it, but they do not
seem to have a feature to provide the post address like google had.
Ron Okimoto

ES is a Usenet server. To the best of my knowledge, none of them
provide search utilities.

--
To know less than we don't know is the nature of most knowledge

Rufus Ruffian

2024-12-07 07:10:10 UTC

Post by jillery
On Wed, 04 Dec 2024 17:48:10 +0000, Martin Harran

Given GG's infamous ability to repeatedly break their search engine,
it's likely that doing a successful search now is still the challenge.

Post by RonO
I've tried to find how eternal september could do it, but they do not
seem to have a feature to provide the post address like google had.
Ron Okimoto

ES is a Usenet server. To the best of my knowledge, none of them
provide search utilities.

Correct, you can only query your NSP server by Message ID.

Usenet has its own protocol and port, NNTP / Port 119. It doesn't use
HTTP or URLs. There is no framework within NNTP by which to search. ES
and other NSPs do not use "post addresses", they go by Message IDs. The
best you can do without a searchable archive site, like GG, is to
download a shitload of messages or message headers and search within
your newsreader.

In Agent and some other newsreaders, you can double-click on a MID and
it will fetch the post. This won't help you unless you already know the
MID. You can find upthread MIDs in the References: header, which may
occasionally help.

jillery

2024-12-07 10:03:48 UTC

Post by Rufus Ruffian

Post by jillery
On Wed, 04 Dec 2024 17:48:10 +0000, Martin Harran

Given GG's infamous ability to repeatedly break their search engine,
it's likely that doing a successful search now is still the challenge.