Trump dismantling science?

[RonO]

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/usda-accidentally-fired-bird-flu-experts-rehire/

The news is claiming that the latest Trump administration antics about
mass firings is dismantling US science. The interference with NIH
funding, and defunding programs along with mass firings without regard
to job performance is probably not the way to go about improving the
system. It is likely to disrupt existing programs, and cost a lot more
to get the projects finished if they can be accomplished at all. A lot
of these people's jobs will have to be refilled and that will cost the
programs time and money. They have already tried to rehire the nuclear
safety employees that were fired, and this CBS news article is claiming
that the USDA is trying to rehire avian flu researchers that were fired.

The Avian flu situation is escalating with the addition of the D1.1
dairy and poultry infections along with the poultry worker and dairy
worker infections with this new genotype. It isn't the time to cut back
on this program considering how badly they have been dealing with the
dairy infection up to this point, giving them an excuse to do even worse
is stupid. What was needed was a reduction in political influence in
these agencies, and what they are getting is going to be more political
ass saving efforts instead of what was needed.

What Trump is doing at this time will likely interfere with science in
the US for decades as everything tries to keep running and everyone
tries to adjust to the Trump stupidity.

This is likely the best means that Trump has of decreasing US influence
in the world, and fits in with his defunding US aid efforts.

Ron Okimoto

[JTEM]

Post by RonO
The news is claiming that the latest Trump administration antics about
mass firings is dismantling US science.

Is this the same "Science" that tell you is you only pay enough in
taxes we can control the climate?

Look. Seriously. You've been wetting your bed for months & months
over the latest scheme to price us out of meat & dairy. You don't
know the difference between "Science" and "Headlines."

Real "Scientists" don't need retroactive Presidential pardons...

[RonO]

Post by JTEM

Post by RonO
The news is claiming that the latest Trump administration antics about
mass firings is dismantling US science.

Is this the same "Science" that tell you is you only pay enough in
taxes we can control the climate?
Look. Seriously. You've been wetting your bed for months & months
over the latest scheme to price us out of meat & dairy. You don't
know the difference between "Science" and "Headlines."
Real "Scientists" don't need retroactive Presidential pardons...

Scientists are just regular people, they can be senselessly persecuted,
and they can do things that they should be persecuted for. You seem to
need to understand the difference. Your weird conspiracy notions should
likely be directed at what hold Putin has over Trump, and why the
Russians put so much effort into getting him elected and trying to keep
him in office. Who is going to benefit from Trump restricting
scientific progress in the US and US aid efforts to the rest of the
world? I've always wondered why Putin has such an influence over Trump.
Why would a leader of any Western country go into a private conference
with Putin with only a Russian interpreter present? Really, who
benefits by disrupting US scientific efforts for the next couple of
decades, and messing with alliances that have lasted for decades?

The price of eggs went up because the USDA and CDC were trying to
appease the political factions that did not want them to do what they
should have done. The cattle industry has more political clout than the
Poultry industry. They were actually trying to protect the cattle
industry from bad publicity, and restrictions on their agricultural
products. It resulted in the poultry industry being severely impacted
by the dairy virus infection. The CDC was also gun shy of how they were
treated during the Trump administration, and refused to do the right
thing because doing the right thing was bad politics.

Ron Okimoto

[Kestrel Clayton]

Post by RonO

Post by JTEM

Post by RonO
The news is claiming that the latest Trump administration antics
about mass firings is dismantling US science.

Is this the same "Science" that tell you is you only pay enough in
taxes we can control the climate?
Look. Seriously. You've been wetting your bed for months & months
over the latest scheme to price us out of meat & dairy. You don't
know the difference between "Science" and "Headlines."
Real "Scientists" don't need retroactive Presidential pardons...

Scientists are just regular people, they can be senselessly persecuted,
and they can do things that they should be persecuted for.  You seem to
need to understand the difference.  Your weird conspiracy notions should
likely be directed at what hold Putin has over Trump, and why the
Russians put so much effort into getting him elected and trying to keep
him in office.  Who is going to benefit from Trump restricting
scientific progress in the US and US aid efforts to the rest of the
world?  I've always wondered why Putin has such an influence over Trump.
 Why would a leader of any Western country go into a private conference
with Putin with only a Russian interpreter present?  Really, who
benefits by disrupting US scientific efforts for the next couple of
decades, and messing with alliances that have lasted for decades?
The price of eggs went up because the USDA and CDC were trying to
appease the political factions that did not want them to do what they
should have done.  The cattle industry has more political clout than the
Poultry industry.  They were actually trying to protect the cattle
industry from bad publicity, and restrictions on their agricultural
products.  It resulted in the poultry industry being severely impacted
by the dairy virus infection.  The CDC was also gun shy of how they were
treated during the Trump administration, and refused to do the right
thing because doing the right thing was bad politics.

The USDA and FDA are both badly understaffed as well. A lot of executive
agencies are, and have been for decades. In terms of percentages, the
government is only about half as well staffed as it was 30 years ago.
It's the same old playbook: Cut funding and staffing for government
agencies and social programs, then point to the resulting dysfunction as
proof they need to be abolished or privatized.

"Nice country ya gots there. Would be a shame if somethin' wuz ta HAPPEN
to it..."

[JTEM]

Post by Kestrel Clayton
The USDA and FDA are both badly understaffed as well. A lot of executive
agencies are, and have been for decades. In terms of percentages, the
government is only about half as well staffed as it was 30 years ago.
It's the same old playbook: Cut funding and staffing for government
agencies and social programs, then point to the resulting dysfunction as
proof they need to be abolished or privatized.

So they're finding all these killer viruses, slaughtering so many
animals that egg prices are ridiculous -- you can't even buy more
than two cartons at a time here -- and this is all because they
don't have enough people to find these viruses and kill all these
animals...

There's something you're missing here... just not "Getting."

Meanwhile eggs are under $2 a dozen in Mexico -- depending on the
brand, a lot under -- and these horrible man eating viruses aren't
killing the population or their cats.

I guess Mexico has even fewer staff members than does the FDA, so
they don't know that they're all dead.

Right?

[JTEM]

Post by RonO
Scientists are just regular people, they can be senselessly persecuted,
and they can do things that they should be persecuted for.

"Real" scientist need to eat, they need funding and the grant process
is politics.

If your "Science" does not have an immediate economic or national
security application, it's politics. You learned this lesson during
the Dubya Bush years and promptly forgot it the instant he left.

What you think of "Science" is politics. It's paid for by grant
money and that grant money comes from political people and always
has.

Post by RonO
You seem to
need to understand the difference.

You're a fool. You learned a powerful lesson and intentionally
forgot it.