My computer busted

[RonO]

My computer went down, and it just came back today.

A lot has happened with the Dairy virus. Cats exposed to raw milk in
California have died. An Oregon cat ate raw food (turkey based) and was
infected. The USDA and CDC are not making a distinction between the
dairy virus and other H5N1 variants in these recent cases.

https://www.oregonvma.org/news/highly-pathogenic-avian-influenza-h5n1

The Oregon case was sequenced and they know what the genotype of the
H5N1 influenza was, but that was not released. They only claim that the
sequence of the virus from the dead cat was the same as the sequence of
the virus found in the recalled frozen cat food. If it was the dairy
virus there would have had to be raw milk product in the food, or the
Turkeys may have been infected with the dairy virus like they have been
in California and other states like Minnesota. The poultry flocks get
the virus from dairy herds, so Oregon likely has infected herds, but
they do not want to know that they have it.

The USDA is supposed to be testing dairies in Oregon, but they may not
have started yet.

Southern California dairies have been found to be infected, and more
dairy workers were found to have been infected.

Half the dairies in California have been found to be infected, and they
just likely need to test the other half to find a lot more. As stupid
as it may seem they are still making excuses as to how the virus is
spreading to so many dairies so quickly. Transfer on clothing and skin
are a long shot, and they admit that exchange of equipment isn't
happening, but they still do not want to admit that infected workers are
taking the virus to other dairies. They know that 5 to 10% of the dairy
workers are getting infected, but they just are not testing them. The
infected will obviously shed live virus onto other farms, and this is
the most likely mode of transmission to nearby poultry farms because 7%
of the dairy workers in Michigan and Texas surveyed on infected dairies
also worked on poultry farms. Dairy work is mostly part time work, and
dairy workers work on more than one dairy and also poultry farms. This
reality has been denied by the USDA and CDC since the first poultry farm
went down in Texas, and the first infected dairy worker was found to be
shedding live virus (they made infected cell cultures and that virus
became the research H5N1 strain).

The denial continues, and poultry farms continue to go down and the
spread from farm to farm continues unabated by "quarantine" that doesn't
include farm worker movements and employment.

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/avian-influenza-bird-flu/avian-flu-infects-2-more-california-dairy-workers-cdc-confirms-wisconsin

For likely political reasons California stopped it's planned testing of
dairy workers and only claims to be monitoring dairy workers. Only 130
individuals were ever tested. The Colorado and Michigan antibody
testing indicates that around 7% of dairy workers may have been
infected. California claims to be monitoring 5,000 dairy workers. If
they had tested them they may have found over 300 infected by now, and
may have prevented a lot of dairy and poultry infections.

Ron Okimoto

[Chris Thompson]

Post by RonO
My computer went down, and it just came back today.
A lot has happened with the Dairy virus.  Cats exposed to raw milk in
California have died.

And it wiped out half the big cats in a Washington sanctuary
https://www.npr.org/2024/12/26/nx-s1-5239841/bird-flu-kills-20-cats-washington-sanctuary

And it's killed hundreds of wild bald eagles
https://www.washingtonpost.com/science/interactive/2024/bald-eagle-avian-flu-death/

[RonO]

Post by Chris Thompson

Post by RonO
My computer went down, and it just came back today.
A lot has happened with the Dairy virus.  Cats exposed to raw milk in
California have died.

And it wiped out half the big cats in a Washington sanctuary
https://www.npr.org/2024/12/26/nx-s1-5239841/bird-flu-kills-20-cats-
washington-sanctuary
And it's killed hundreds of wild bald eagles
https://www.washingtonpost.com/science/interactive/2024/bald-eagle-
avian-flu-death/

There seems to be a willful cover up about the cats that are going down.
They refuse to release the strain of the virus that killed the cats
even though they know what it is. They made them get rid of their food
supply so my guess is that it was due to the dairy virus, and the cats
were infected by eating downed cattle likely donated to the facility.
Here in Arkansas down cattle are routinely donated to the the local big
cat sanctuary because they can't be used for human consumption and have
to go to the renderers. Washington already knows that they have the
dairy virus in the state, but they have refused to test their dairies.
The Washington poultry farm that went down with the dairy virus and the
11 poultry workers that got infected got infected by a local dairy.
That is how the poultry farms in all the other states have gotten
infected. Dairy workers also work on poultry farms and take the virus
to those other farms. They have been lying about this situation since
the beginning of this fiasco, and it is catching up with them in
Washington where they refused to acknowledge reality. Utah immediately
understood how their poultry farm got infected and found 8 infected
dairies in the same county. The dairies are just not self reporting
being infected.

So the CDC and USDA have started not releasing what strain of the virus
that they are dealing with in these situations because it makes them
look like the losers that they have been for months. Instead they just
make the cat sanctuary discard their current food supply without testing it.

This likely means that sick cattle are likely going to slaughter in
states that have not admitted to having dairy infections in states like
Washington, and contaminated meat is likely in the current food supply
unless they have stopped sending cull dairy cattle to slaughter.

The house cats that have died due to raw milk and raw food are also a
case in point. They have already sequenced the virus and know that the
sequence from the dead cats and the raw food had identical sequence, but
they won't say if it was the dairy virus or not. The cat that died
drinking raw milk was obviously the dairy virus, but they won't admit to it.

They have needed to detect all the infected dairies and isolate the
dairy workers since the beginning, but they never wanted to do what
needed to be done to prevent human infections. Even California joined
in with the denial. They claimed that they were going to start testing
dairy workers, but that never happened and they only have tested 130
(found 36 infected) out of more than 5,000 known to have been exposed to
infected cattle. The Michigan and Colorado antibody screen indicates
that 7 to 10% of dairy workers at infected farms were infected in those
states. California is a tragic case in point because they knew that
dairy workers were taking the virus to other farms because their initial
contact tracing found dozens of infected farms sharing dairy workers,
but they refused to restrict the movement of the farm workers between
dairies and poultry farms, and ended up with a lot of infected poultry
flocks, and half the dairy farms in California as currently infected.
The easiest way to infect another dairy or poultry farm is for an
infected dairy worker shedding live virus to go to those farms, and they
have known that was happening since Michigan and Texas found that 7% of
the dairy workers on infected farms also worked at poultry farms, and
even more worked at other dairies. For most dairies dairy work is part
time, and workers work at more than one farm.

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/avian-influenza-bird-flu/oregon-avian-flu-cat-death-prompts-nationwide-raw-pet-food-recall

They need to monitor the contacts of the sick cats because the cats were
shedding live virus. We do not want the same type of infections in
humans. The dairy virus infects the brains of cats and kills them. The
CDC is claiming to be worried about the virus becoming a human
respiratory infection, but if it became a neurological infection like it
is for cats and some other mammals that would be much worse.

What is stupid is that the CDC has approved a commercial test for H5N1,
but as stupid as it may seem it is a nasal swab test, and it is known
that the high majority of workers infected by the dairy virus are
negative for nasal swabs and only positive for eye swabs. The dairy
virus seems to infect mammary glands and tear ducts effectively. This
means that the approved commercial test is nearly worthless for testing
dairy workers and poultry workers.

Ron Okimoto

[erik simpson]

Post by RonO

Post by Chris Thompson

Post by RonO
My computer went down, and it just came back today.
A lot has happened with the Dairy virus.  Cats exposed to raw milk in
California have died.

And it wiped out half the big cats in a Washington sanctuary
https://www.npr.org/2024/12/26/nx-s1-5239841/bird-flu-kills-20-cats-
washington-sanctuary
And it's killed hundreds of wild bald eagles
https://www.washingtonpost.com/science/interactive/2024/bald-eagle-
avian-flu-death/

There seems to be a willful cover up about the cats that are going down.
 They refuse to release the strain of the virus that killed the cats
even though they know what it is.  They made them get rid of their food
supply so my guess is that it was due to the dairy virus, and the cats
were infected by eating downed cattle likely donated to the facility.
Here in Arkansas down cattle are routinely donated to the the local big
cat sanctuary because they can't be used for human consumption and have
to go to the renderers.  Washington already knows that they have the
dairy virus in the state, but they have refused to test their dairies.
The Washington poultry farm that went down with the dairy virus and the
11 poultry workers that got infected got infected by a local dairy. That
is how the poultry farms in all the other states have gotten infected.
Dairy workers also work on poultry farms and take the virus to those
other farms.  They have been lying about this situation since the
beginning of this fiasco, and it is catching up with them in Washington
where they refused to acknowledge reality.  Utah immediately understood
how their poultry farm got infected and found 8 infected dairies in the
same county.  The dairies are just not self reporting being infected.
So the CDC and USDA have started not releasing what strain of the virus
that they are dealing with in these situations because it makes them
look like the losers that they have been for months.  Instead they just
make the cat sanctuary discard their current food supply without testing it.
This likely means that sick cattle are likely going to slaughter in
states that have not admitted to having dairy infections in states like
Washington, and contaminated meat is likely in the current food supply
unless they have stopped sending cull dairy cattle to slaughter.
The house cats that have died due to raw milk and raw food are also a
case in point.  They have already sequenced the virus and know that the
sequence from the dead cats and the raw food had identical sequence, but
they won't say if it was the dairy virus or not.  The cat that died
drinking raw milk was obviously the dairy virus, but they won't admit to it.
They have needed to detect all the infected dairies and isolate the
dairy workers since the beginning, but they never wanted to do what
needed to be done to prevent human infections.  Even California joined
in with the denial.  They claimed that they were going to start testing
dairy workers, but that never happened and they only have tested 130
(found 36 infected) out of more than 5,000 known to have been exposed to
infected cattle.  The Michigan and Colorado antibody screen indicates
that 7 to 10% of dairy workers at infected farms were infected in those
states.  California is a tragic case in point because they knew that
dairy workers were taking the virus to other farms because their initial
contact tracing found dozens of infected farms sharing dairy workers,
but they refused to restrict the movement of the farm workers between
dairies and poultry farms, and ended up with a lot of infected poultry
flocks, and half the dairy farms in California as currently infected.
The easiest way to infect another dairy or poultry farm is for an
infected dairy worker shedding live virus to go to those farms, and they
have known that was happening since Michigan and Texas found that 7% of
the dairy workers on infected farms also worked at poultry farms, and
even more worked at other dairies.  For most dairies dairy work is part
time, and workers work at more than one farm.
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/avian-influenza-bird-flu/oregon-avian-flu-cat-death-prompts-nationwide-raw-pet-food-recall
They need to monitor the contacts of the sick cats because the cats were
shedding live virus.  We do not want the same type of infections in
humans.  The dairy virus infects the brains of cats and kills them.  The
CDC is claiming to be worried about the virus becoming a human
respiratory infection, but if it became a neurological infection like it
is for cats and some other mammals that would be much worse.
What is stupid is that the CDC has approved a commercial test for H5N1,
but as stupid as it may seem it is a nasal swab test, and it is known
that the high majority of workers infected by the dairy virus are
negative for nasal swabs and only positive for eye swabs.  The dairy
virus seems to infect mammary glands and tear ducts effectively.  This
means that the approved commercial test is nearly worthless for testing
dairy workers and poultry workers.
Ron Okimoto

This is making me wonder if there is any reason to have a CDC. It seems
as thought they do nothing unless someone kicks them, and they still do
nothing.

[RonO]

Post by RonO

Post by Chris Thompson

Post by RonO
My computer went down, and it just came back today.
A lot has happened with the Dairy virus.  Cats exposed to raw milk
in California have died.

And it wiped out half the big cats in a Washington sanctuary
https://www.npr.org/2024/12/26/nx-s1-5239841/bird-flu-kills-20-cats-
washington-sanctuary
And it's killed hundreds of wild bald eagles
https://www.washingtonpost.com/science/interactive/2024/bald-eagle-
avian-flu-death/

There seems to be a willful cover up about the cats that are going
down.   They refuse to release the strain of the virus that killed the
cats even though they know what it is.  They made them get rid of
their food supply so my guess is that it was due to the dairy virus,
and the cats were infected by eating downed cattle likely donated to
the facility. Here in Arkansas down cattle are routinely donated to
the the local big cat sanctuary because they can't be used for human
consumption and have to go to the renderers.  Washington already knows
that they have the dairy virus in the state, but they have refused to
test their dairies. The Washington poultry farm that went down with
the dairy virus and the 11 poultry workers that got infected got
infected by a local dairy. That is how the poultry farms in all the
other states have gotten infected. Dairy workers also work on poultry
farms and take the virus to those other farms.  They have been lying
about this situation since the beginning of this fiasco, and it is
catching up with them in Washington where they refused to acknowledge
reality.  Utah immediately understood how their poultry farm got
infected and found 8 infected dairies in the same county.  The dairies
are just not self reporting being infected.
So the CDC and USDA have started not releasing what strain of the
virus that they are dealing with in these situations because it makes
them look like the losers that they have been for months.  Instead
they just make the cat sanctuary discard their current food supply
without testing it.
This likely means that sick cattle are likely going to slaughter in
states that have not admitted to having dairy infections in states
like Washington, and contaminated meat is likely in the current food
supply unless they have stopped sending cull dairy cattle to slaughter.
The house cats that have died due to raw milk and raw food are also a
case in point.  They have already sequenced the virus and know that
the sequence from the dead cats and the raw food had identical
sequence, but they won't say if it was the dairy virus or not.  The
cat that died drinking raw milk was obviously the dairy virus, but
they won't admit to it.
They have needed to detect all the infected dairies and isolate the
dairy workers since the beginning, but they never wanted to do what
needed to be done to prevent human infections.  Even California joined
in with the denial.  They claimed that they were going to start
testing dairy workers, but that never happened and they only have
tested 130 (found 36 infected) out of more than 5,000 known to have
been exposed to infected cattle.  The Michigan and Colorado antibody
screen indicates that 7 to 10% of dairy workers at infected farms were
infected in those states.  California is a tragic case in point
because they knew that dairy workers were taking the virus to other
farms because their initial contact tracing found dozens of infected
farms sharing dairy workers, but they refused to restrict the movement
of the farm workers between dairies and poultry farms, and ended up
with a lot of infected poultry flocks, and half the dairy farms in
California as currently infected. The easiest way to infect another
dairy or poultry farm is for an infected dairy worker shedding live
virus to go to those farms, and they have known that was happening
since Michigan and Texas found that 7% of the dairy workers on
infected farms also worked at poultry farms, and even more worked at
other dairies.  For most dairies dairy work is part time, and workers
work at more than one farm.
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/avian-influenza-bird-flu/oregon-avian-flu-
cat-death-prompts-nationwide-raw-pet-food-recall
They need to monitor the contacts of the sick cats because the cats
were shedding live virus.  We do not want the same type of infections
in humans.  The dairy virus infects the brains of cats and kills
them.  The CDC is claiming to be worried about the virus becoming a
human respiratory infection, but if it became a neurological infection
like it is for cats and some other mammals that would be much worse.
What is stupid is that the CDC has approved a commercial test for
H5N1, but as stupid as it may seem it is a nasal swab test, and it is
known that the high majority of workers infected by the dairy virus
are negative for nasal swabs and only positive for eye swabs.  The
dairy virus seems to infect mammary glands and tear ducts
effectively.  This means that the approved commercial test is nearly
worthless for testing dairy workers and poultry workers.
Ron Okimoto

This is making me wonder if there is any reason to have a CDC.  It seems
as thought they do nothing unless someone kicks them, and they still do
nothing.

The CDC initially screwed up their covid response, and then had to
suffer through the Trump denial, so they were politically scarred and
are obviously afraid to make any political waves, and the cattle
industry actually has political clout in Washington DC. Both the USDA
and CDC have refused to handle this situation as it should have been
handled because they are likely afraid of the political consequences,
but now they have to live with what has happened due to their inaction.
Over a month ago the CDC claimed that they were going to start testing
dairy workers after 7% of the dairy workers tested for antibodies were
found to have been infected, and California was demonstrating that a lot
more dairies are infected than the dairy industry is admitting to. The
testing never seems to have started. States like Washington and Florida
continue to pretend that they are not infected even though poultry farms
have gone down with the dairy virus in their states. Everyone
understands that the poultry farms get infected by local dairies, but
the USDA has refused to act.

So the CDC should have a program up and running testing dairy workers
and the USDA has finally started a "national" milk testing program that
started with 6 states, but 6 more have been added to the initial list.
The USDA was supposed to have started bulk milk tank testing in known
infected states in early November, but nothing happened, and no results
from the CDC and USDA current claims have been put out.

The crazy thing is that the virus has changed enough since the start of
the infection that it likely will start reinfecting herds that have been
infected and cleared the virus. They had to make a synthetic H5 antigen
in order to test for antibodies in the Missouri human case because the
mutation in the H5 gene significantly reduced the antibody binding of
the existing H5 antibodies.

Ron Okimoto

[Bob Casanova]

On Fri, 27 Dec 2024 13:28:39 -0800, the following appeared
in talk.origins, posted by erik simpson

Post by erik simpson

Post by RonO

Post by Chris Thompson

Post by RonO
My computer went down, and it just came back today.
A lot has happened with the Dairy virus.  Cats exposed to raw milk in
California have died.

And it wiped out half the big cats in a Washington sanctuary
https://www.npr.org/2024/12/26/nx-s1-5239841/bird-flu-kills-20-cats-
washington-sanctuary
And it's killed hundreds of wild bald eagles
https://www.washingtonpost.com/science/interactive/2024/bald-eagle-
avian-flu-death/

There seems to be a willful cover up about the cats that are going down.
 They refuse to release the strain of the virus that killed the cats
even though they know what it is.  They made them get rid of their food
supply so my guess is that it was due to the dairy virus, and the cats
were infected by eating downed cattle likely donated to the facility.
Here in Arkansas down cattle are routinely donated to the the local big
cat sanctuary because they can't be used for human consumption and have
to go to the renderers.  Washington already knows that they have the
dairy virus in the state, but they have refused to test their dairies.
The Washington poultry farm that went down with the dairy virus and the
11 poultry workers that got infected got infected by a local dairy. That
is how the poultry farms in all the other states have gotten infected.
Dairy workers also work on poultry farms and take the virus to those
other farms.  They have been lying about this situation since the
beginning of this fiasco, and it is catching up with them in Washington
where they refused to acknowledge reality.  Utah immediately understood
how their poultry farm got infected and found 8 infected dairies in the
same county.  The dairies are just not self reporting being infected.
So the CDC and USDA have started not releasing what strain of the virus
that they are dealing with in these situations because it makes them
look like the losers that they have been for months.  Instead they just
make the cat sanctuary discard their current food supply without testing it.
This likely means that sick cattle are likely going to slaughter in
states that have not admitted to having dairy infections in states like
Washington, and contaminated meat is likely in the current food supply
unless they have stopped sending cull dairy cattle to slaughter.
The house cats that have died due to raw milk and raw food are also a
case in point.  They have already sequenced the virus and know that the
sequence from the dead cats and the raw food had identical sequence, but
they won't say if it was the dairy virus or not.  The cat that died
drinking raw milk was obviously the dairy virus, but they won't admit to it.
They have needed to detect all the infected dairies and isolate the
dairy workers since the beginning, but they never wanted to do what
needed to be done to prevent human infections.  Even California joined
in with the denial.  They claimed that they were going to start testing
dairy workers, but that never happened and they only have tested 130
(found 36 infected) out of more than 5,000 known to have been exposed to
infected cattle.  The Michigan and Colorado antibody screen indicates
that 7 to 10% of dairy workers at infected farms were infected in those
states.  California is a tragic case in point because they knew that
dairy workers were taking the virus to other farms because their initial
contact tracing found dozens of infected farms sharing dairy workers,
but they refused to restrict the movement of the farm workers between
dairies and poultry farms, and ended up with a lot of infected poultry
flocks, and half the dairy farms in California as currently infected.
The easiest way to infect another dairy or poultry farm is for an
infected dairy worker shedding live virus to go to those farms, and they
have known that was happening since Michigan and Texas found that 7% of
the dairy workers on infected farms also worked at poultry farms, and
even more worked at other dairies.  For most dairies dairy work is part
time, and workers work at more than one farm.
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/avian-influenza-bird-flu/oregon-avian-flu-cat-death-prompts-nationwide-raw-pet-food-recall
They need to monitor the contacts of the sick cats because the cats were
shedding live virus.  We do not want the same type of infections in
humans.  The dairy virus infects the brains of cats and kills them.  The
CDC is claiming to be worried about the virus becoming a human
respiratory infection, but if it became a neurological infection like it
is for cats and some other mammals that would be much worse.
What is stupid is that the CDC has approved a commercial test for H5N1,
but as stupid as it may seem it is a nasal swab test, and it is known
that the high majority of workers infected by the dairy virus are
negative for nasal swabs and only positive for eye swabs.  The dairy
virus seems to infect mammary glands and tear ducts effectively.  This
means that the approved commercial test is nearly worthless for testing
dairy workers and poultry workers.
Ron Okimoto

This is making me wonder if there is any reason to have a CDC. It seems
as thought they do nothing unless someone kicks them, and they still do
nothing.

Pretty much: "Oooh, let's try masks! That didn't work in
1918, so it's a sure thing!"

[erik simpson]

Post by Bob Casanova
On Fri, 27 Dec 2024 13:28:39 -0800, the following appeared
in talk.origins, posted by erik simpson

Post by erik simpson

Post by RonO

Post by Chris Thompson

Post by RonO
My computer went down, and it just came back today.
A lot has happened with the Dairy virus.  Cats exposed to raw milk in
California have died.

And it wiped out half the big cats in a Washington sanctuary
https://www.npr.org/2024/12/26/nx-s1-5239841/bird-flu-kills-20-cats-
washington-sanctuary
And it's killed hundreds of wild bald eagles
https://www.washingtonpost.com/science/interactive/2024/bald-eagle-
avian-flu-death/

There seems to be a willful cover up about the cats that are going down.
 They refuse to release the strain of the virus that killed the cats
even though they know what it is.  They made them get rid of their food
supply so my guess is that it was due to the dairy virus, and the cats
were infected by eating downed cattle likely donated to the facility.
Here in Arkansas down cattle are routinely donated to the the local big
cat sanctuary because they can't be used for human consumption and have
to go to the renderers.  Washington already knows that they have the
dairy virus in the state, but they have refused to test their dairies.
The Washington poultry farm that went down with the dairy virus and the
11 poultry workers that got infected got infected by a local dairy. That
is how the poultry farms in all the other states have gotten infected.
Dairy workers also work on poultry farms and take the virus to those
other farms.  They have been lying about this situation since the
beginning of this fiasco, and it is catching up with them in Washington
where they refused to acknowledge reality.  Utah immediately understood
how their poultry farm got infected and found 8 infected dairies in the
same county.  The dairies are just not self reporting being infected.
So the CDC and USDA have started not releasing what strain of the virus
that they are dealing with in these situations because it makes them
look like the losers that they have been for months.  Instead they just
make the cat sanctuary discard their current food supply without testing it.
This likely means that sick cattle are likely going to slaughter in
states that have not admitted to having dairy infections in states like
Washington, and contaminated meat is likely in the current food supply
unless they have stopped sending cull dairy cattle to slaughter.
The house cats that have died due to raw milk and raw food are also a
case in point.  They have already sequenced the virus and know that the
sequence from the dead cats and the raw food had identical sequence, but
they won't say if it was the dairy virus or not.  The cat that died
drinking raw milk was obviously the dairy virus, but they won't admit to it.
They have needed to detect all the infected dairies and isolate the
dairy workers since the beginning, but they never wanted to do what
needed to be done to prevent human infections.  Even California joined
in with the denial.  They claimed that they were going to start testing
dairy workers, but that never happened and they only have tested 130
(found 36 infected) out of more than 5,000 known to have been exposed to
infected cattle.  The Michigan and Colorado antibody screen indicates
that 7 to 10% of dairy workers at infected farms were infected in those
states.  California is a tragic case in point because they knew that
dairy workers were taking the virus to other farms because their initial
contact tracing found dozens of infected farms sharing dairy workers,
but they refused to restrict the movement of the farm workers between
dairies and poultry farms, and ended up with a lot of infected poultry
flocks, and half the dairy farms in California as currently infected.
The easiest way to infect another dairy or poultry farm is for an
infected dairy worker shedding live virus to go to those farms, and they
have known that was happening since Michigan and Texas found that 7% of
the dairy workers on infected farms also worked at poultry farms, and
even more worked at other dairies.  For most dairies dairy work is part
time, and workers work at more than one farm.
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/avian-influenza-bird-flu/oregon-avian-flu-cat-death-prompts-nationwide-raw-pet-food-recall
They need to monitor the contacts of the sick cats because the cats were
shedding live virus.  We do not want the same type of infections in
humans.  The dairy virus infects the brains of cats and kills them.  The
CDC is claiming to be worried about the virus becoming a human
respiratory infection, but if it became a neurological infection like it
is for cats and some other mammals that would be much worse.
What is stupid is that the CDC has approved a commercial test for H5N1,
but as stupid as it may seem it is a nasal swab test, and it is known
that the high majority of workers infected by the dairy virus are
negative for nasal swabs and only positive for eye swabs.  The dairy
virus seems to infect mammary glands and tear ducts effectively.  This
means that the approved commercial test is nearly worthless for testing
dairy workers and poultry workers.
Ron Okimoto

This is making me wonder if there is any reason to have a CDC. It seems
as thought they do nothing unless someone kicks them, and they still do
nothing.

Pretty much: "Oooh, let's try masks! That didn't work in
1918, so it's a sure thing!"

Lots of people thought the masks protected them, but the real purpose
was to protect others from them. In that, it worked both for the 1918
and covid pandemics.

[Bob Casanova]

On Fri, 27 Dec 2024 17:30:32 -0800, the following appeared
in talk.origins, posted by erik simpson

Post by erik simpson

Post by Bob Casanova
On Fri, 27 Dec 2024 13:28:39 -0800, the following appeared
in talk.origins, posted by erik simpson

Post by erik simpson

Post by RonO

Post by Chris Thompson

Post by RonO
My computer went down, and it just came back today.
A lot has happened with the Dairy virus.  Cats exposed to raw milk in
California have died.

And it wiped out half the big cats in a Washington sanctuary
https://www.npr.org/2024/12/26/nx-s1-5239841/bird-flu-kills-20-cats-
washington-sanctuary
And it's killed hundreds of wild bald eagles
https://www.washingtonpost.com/science/interactive/2024/bald-eagle-
avian-flu-death/

There seems to be a willful cover up about the cats that are going down.
 They refuse to release the strain of the virus that killed the cats
even though they know what it is.  They made them get rid of their food
supply so my guess is that it was due to the dairy virus, and the cats
were infected by eating downed cattle likely donated to the facility.
Here in Arkansas down cattle are routinely donated to the the local big
cat sanctuary because they can't be used for human consumption and have
to go to the renderers.  Washington already knows that they have the
dairy virus in the state, but they have refused to test their dairies.
The Washington poultry farm that went down with the dairy virus and the
11 poultry workers that got infected got infected by a local dairy. That
is how the poultry farms in all the other states have gotten infected.
Dairy workers also work on poultry farms and take the virus to those
other farms.  They have been lying about this situation since the
beginning of this fiasco, and it is catching up with them in Washington
where they refused to acknowledge reality.  Utah immediately understood
how their poultry farm got infected and found 8 infected dairies in the
same county.  The dairies are just not self reporting being infected.
So the CDC and USDA have started not releasing what strain of the virus
that they are dealing with in these situations because it makes them
look like the losers that they have been for months.  Instead they just
make the cat sanctuary discard their current food supply without testing it.
This likely means that sick cattle are likely going to slaughter in
states that have not admitted to having dairy infections in states like
Washington, and contaminated meat is likely in the current food supply
unless they have stopped sending cull dairy cattle to slaughter.
The house cats that have died due to raw milk and raw food are also a
case in point.  They have already sequenced the virus and know that the
sequence from the dead cats and the raw food had identical sequence, but
they won't say if it was the dairy virus or not.  The cat that died
drinking raw milk was obviously the dairy virus, but they won't admit to it.
They have needed to detect all the infected dairies and isolate the
dairy workers since the beginning, but they never wanted to do what
needed to be done to prevent human infections.  Even California joined
in with the denial.  They claimed that they were going to start testing
dairy workers, but that never happened and they only have tested 130
(found 36 infected) out of more than 5,000 known to have been exposed to
infected cattle.  The Michigan and Colorado antibody screen indicates
that 7 to 10% of dairy workers at infected farms were infected in those
states.  California is a tragic case in point because they knew that
dairy workers were taking the virus to other farms because their initial
contact tracing found dozens of infected farms sharing dairy workers,
but they refused to restrict the movement of the farm workers between
dairies and poultry farms, and ended up with a lot of infected poultry
flocks, and half the dairy farms in California as currently infected.
The easiest way to infect another dairy or poultry farm is for an
infected dairy worker shedding live virus to go to those farms, and they
have known that was happening since Michigan and Texas found that 7% of
the dairy workers on infected farms also worked at poultry farms, and
even more worked at other dairies.  For most dairies dairy work is part
time, and workers work at more than one farm.
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/avian-influenza-bird-flu/oregon-avian-flu-cat-death-prompts-nationwide-raw-pet-food-recall
They need to monitor the contacts of the sick cats because the cats were
shedding live virus.  We do not want the same type of infections in
humans.  The dairy virus infects the brains of cats and kills them.  The
CDC is claiming to be worried about the virus becoming a human
respiratory infection, but if it became a neurological infection like it
is for cats and some other mammals that would be much worse.
What is stupid is that the CDC has approved a commercial test for H5N1,
but as stupid as it may seem it is a nasal swab test, and it is known
that the high majority of workers infected by the dairy virus are
negative for nasal swabs and only positive for eye swabs.  The dairy
virus seems to infect mammary glands and tear ducts effectively.  This
means that the approved commercial test is nearly worthless for testing
dairy workers and poultry workers.
Ron Okimoto

This is making me wonder if there is any reason to have a CDC. It seems
as thought they do nothing unless someone kicks them, and they still do
nothing.

Pretty much: "Oooh, let's try masks! That didn't work in
1918, so it's a sure thing!"

Lots of people thought the masks protected them, but the real purpose
was to protect others from them. In that, it worked both for the 1918
and covid pandemics.

So I've read. And if coughing on someone was an issue I'd
have to agree. But that isn't how it was presented.

[RonO]

Post by Bob Casanova
On Fri, 27 Dec 2024 17:30:32 -0800, the following appeared
in talk.origins, posted by erik simpson

Post by erik simpson

Post by Bob Casanova
On Fri, 27 Dec 2024 13:28:39 -0800, the following appeared
in talk.origins, posted by erik simpson

Post by erik simpson

Post by RonO

Post by Chris Thompson

Post by RonO
My computer went down, and it just came back today.
A lot has happened with the Dairy virus.  Cats exposed to raw milk in
California have died.

And it wiped out half the big cats in a Washington sanctuary
https://www.npr.org/2024/12/26/nx-s1-5239841/bird-flu-kills-20-cats-
washington-sanctuary
And it's killed hundreds of wild bald eagles
https://www.washingtonpost.com/science/interactive/2024/bald-eagle-
avian-flu-death/

There seems to be a willful cover up about the cats that are going down.
 They refuse to release the strain of the virus that killed the cats
even though they know what it is.  They made them get rid of their food
supply so my guess is that it was due to the dairy virus, and the cats
were infected by eating downed cattle likely donated to the facility.
Here in Arkansas down cattle are routinely donated to the the local big
cat sanctuary because they can't be used for human consumption and have
to go to the renderers.  Washington already knows that they have the
dairy virus in the state, but they have refused to test their dairies.
The Washington poultry farm that went down with the dairy virus and the
11 poultry workers that got infected got infected by a local dairy. That
is how the poultry farms in all the other states have gotten infected.
Dairy workers also work on poultry farms and take the virus to those
other farms.  They have been lying about this situation since the
beginning of this fiasco, and it is catching up with them in Washington
where they refused to acknowledge reality.  Utah immediately understood
how their poultry farm got infected and found 8 infected dairies in the
same county.  The dairies are just not self reporting being infected.
So the CDC and USDA have started not releasing what strain of the virus
that they are dealing with in these situations because it makes them
look like the losers that they have been for months.  Instead they just
make the cat sanctuary discard their current food supply without testing it.
This likely means that sick cattle are likely going to slaughter in
states that have not admitted to having dairy infections in states like
Washington, and contaminated meat is likely in the current food supply
unless they have stopped sending cull dairy cattle to slaughter.
The house cats that have died due to raw milk and raw food are also a
case in point.  They have already sequenced the virus and know that the
sequence from the dead cats and the raw food had identical sequence, but
they won't say if it was the dairy virus or not.  The cat that died
drinking raw milk was obviously the dairy virus, but they won't admit to it.
They have needed to detect all the infected dairies and isolate the
dairy workers since the beginning, but they never wanted to do what
needed to be done to prevent human infections.  Even California joined
in with the denial.  They claimed that they were going to start testing
dairy workers, but that never happened and they only have tested 130
(found 36 infected) out of more than 5,000 known to have been exposed to
infected cattle.  The Michigan and Colorado antibody screen indicates
that 7 to 10% of dairy workers at infected farms were infected in those
states.  California is a tragic case in point because they knew that
dairy workers were taking the virus to other farms because their initial
contact tracing found dozens of infected farms sharing dairy workers,
but they refused to restrict the movement of the farm workers between
dairies and poultry farms, and ended up with a lot of infected poultry
flocks, and half the dairy farms in California as currently infected.
The easiest way to infect another dairy or poultry farm is for an
infected dairy worker shedding live virus to go to those farms, and they
have known that was happening since Michigan and Texas found that 7% of
the dairy workers on infected farms also worked at poultry farms, and
even more worked at other dairies.  For most dairies dairy work is part
time, and workers work at more than one farm.
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/avian-influenza-bird-flu/oregon-avian-flu-cat-death-prompts-nationwide-raw-pet-food-recall
They need to monitor the contacts of the sick cats because the cats were
shedding live virus.  We do not want the same type of infections in
humans.  The dairy virus infects the brains of cats and kills them.  The
CDC is claiming to be worried about the virus becoming a human
respiratory infection, but if it became a neurological infection like it
is for cats and some other mammals that would be much worse.
What is stupid is that the CDC has approved a commercial test for H5N1,
but as stupid as it may seem it is a nasal swab test, and it is known
that the high majority of workers infected by the dairy virus are
negative for nasal swabs and only positive for eye swabs.  The dairy
virus seems to infect mammary glands and tear ducts effectively.  This
means that the approved commercial test is nearly worthless for testing
dairy workers and poultry workers.
Ron Okimoto

This is making me wonder if there is any reason to have a CDC. It seems
as thought they do nothing unless someone kicks them, and they still do
nothing.

Pretty much: "Oooh, let's try masks! That didn't work in
1918, so it's a sure thing!"

Lots of people thought the masks protected them, but the real purpose
was to protect others from them. In that, it worked both for the 1918
and covid pandemics.

So I've read. And if coughing on someone was an issue I'd
have to agree. But that isn't how it was presented.

The CDC messed up on the Covid pandemic from the start. The PCR test
that they initially put out did not work, and it took them a while to
fix it, and that ended any hope of an organized testing program early in
the pandemic. They messed up on presenting why people should wear
masks. For some stupid reason a lot of their nonsense was about
protecting the wearer of the mask, but a cloth mask or loose fitting N95
has limited protection ability. They should have been more honest and
explained that Covid was an airborne transmissible virus, and that
infected people wearing masks greatly reduced the amount of virus in the
environment.

The CDC is currently screwing up by the numbers with the Dairy epidemic
because they were shell shocked by Covid, and they are reluctant to do
the right thing. Instead they would rather go into denial, and pretend
that everything doesn't really matter that much. It looks like the main
reason that the dairy epidemic has not been treated as it should have
been is because of politics and fear of those politics. The Trumpies
wanted to prosecute some of them for the Covid fiasco, so they seem to
want to keep their heads down. As stupid as it may be the initial H5N1
PCR test was defective. To be fair the CDC blamed the company making
the test for the testing issues, but it took the CDC months to fix
something that could have been dealt with in a couple of weeks, and that
is one of the reasons that the CDC never started dairy worker testing.
After the test was fixed they likely didn't want to show how much of a
screw up the initial test fiasco was by finding a lot of infected
workers, so testing has never really started even after they claimed
that they were going to start two months ago. As crazy as it may seem
the H5N1 test that the CDC has given out for commercial testing is a
nasal swab test, and the CDC knows that most of the dairy workers are
only shedding virus from their eyes and that nasal swabs are usually
negative for infected dairy workers. They literally put out a test that
is likely to fail to detect the dairy infection. Could incompetence be
a factor for doing everything that should not be done and not doing what
should be done?

Ron Okimoto

[Bob Casanova]

On Sat, 28 Dec 2024 11:59:35 -0600, the following appeared

Post by RonO

Post by Bob Casanova
On Fri, 27 Dec 2024 17:30:32 -0800, the following appeared
in talk.origins, posted by erik simpson

Post by erik simpson

Post by Bob Casanova
On Fri, 27 Dec 2024 13:28:39 -0800, the following appeared
in talk.origins, posted by erik simpson

Post by erik simpson

Post by RonO

Post by Chris Thompson

Post by RonO
My computer went down, and it just came back today.
A lot has happened with the Dairy virus.  Cats exposed to raw milk in
California have died.

And it wiped out half the big cats in a Washington sanctuary
https://www.npr.org/2024/12/26/nx-s1-5239841/bird-flu-kills-20-cats-
washington-sanctuary
And it's killed hundreds of wild bald eagles
https://www.washingtonpost.com/science/interactive/2024/bald-eagle-
avian-flu-death/

There seems to be a willful cover up about the cats that are going down.
 They refuse to release the strain of the virus that killed the cats
even though they know what it is.  They made them get rid of their food
supply so my guess is that it was due to the dairy virus, and the cats
were infected by eating downed cattle likely donated to the facility.
Here in Arkansas down cattle are routinely donated to the the local big
cat sanctuary because they can't be used for human consumption and have
to go to the renderers.  Washington already knows that they have the
dairy virus in the state, but they have refused to test their dairies.
The Washington poultry farm that went down with the dairy virus and the
11 poultry workers that got infected got infected by a local dairy. That
is how the poultry farms in all the other states have gotten infected.
Dairy workers also work on poultry farms and take the virus to those
other farms.  They have been lying about this situation since the
beginning of this fiasco, and it is catching up with them in Washington
where they refused to acknowledge reality.  Utah immediately understood
how their poultry farm got infected and found 8 infected dairies in the
same county.  The dairies are just not self reporting being infected.
So the CDC and USDA have started not releasing what strain of the virus
that they are dealing with in these situations because it makes them
look like the losers that they have been for months.  Instead they just
make the cat sanctuary discard their current food supply without testing it.
This likely means that sick cattle are likely going to slaughter in
states that have not admitted to having dairy infections in states like
Washington, and contaminated meat is likely in the current food supply
unless they have stopped sending cull dairy cattle to slaughter.
The house cats that have died due to raw milk and raw food are also a
case in point.  They have already sequenced the virus and know that the
sequence from the dead cats and the raw food had identical sequence, but
they won't say if it was the dairy virus or not.  The cat that died
drinking raw milk was obviously the dairy virus, but they won't admit to it.
They have needed to detect all the infected dairies and isolate the
dairy workers since the beginning, but they never wanted to do what
needed to be done to prevent human infections.  Even California joined
in with the denial.  They claimed that they were going to start testing
dairy workers, but that never happened and they only have tested 130
(found 36 infected) out of more than 5,000 known to have been exposed to
infected cattle.  The Michigan and Colorado antibody screen indicates
that 7 to 10% of dairy workers at infected farms were infected in those
states.  California is a tragic case in point because they knew that
dairy workers were taking the virus to other farms because their initial
contact tracing found dozens of infected farms sharing dairy workers,
but they refused to restrict the movement of the farm workers between
dairies and poultry farms, and ended up with a lot of infected poultry
flocks, and half the dairy farms in California as currently infected.
The easiest way to infect another dairy or poultry farm is for an
infected dairy worker shedding live virus to go to those farms, and they
have known that was happening since Michigan and Texas found that 7% of
the dairy workers on infected farms also worked at poultry farms, and
even more worked at other dairies.  For most dairies dairy work is part
time, and workers work at more than one farm.
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/avian-influenza-bird-flu/oregon-avian-flu-cat-death-prompts-nationwide-raw-pet-food-recall
They need to monitor the contacts of the sick cats because the cats were
shedding live virus.  We do not want the same type of infections in
humans.  The dairy virus infects the brains of cats and kills them.  The
CDC is claiming to be worried about the virus becoming a human
respiratory infection, but if it became a neurological infection like it
is for cats and some other mammals that would be much worse.
What is stupid is that the CDC has approved a commercial test for H5N1,
but as stupid as it may seem it is a nasal swab test, and it is known
that the high majority of workers infected by the dairy virus are
negative for nasal swabs and only positive for eye swabs.  The dairy
virus seems to infect mammary glands and tear ducts effectively.  This
means that the approved commercial test is nearly worthless for testing
dairy workers and poultry workers.
Ron Okimoto

This is making me wonder if there is any reason to have a CDC. It seems
as thought they do nothing unless someone kicks them, and they still do
nothing.

Pretty much: "Oooh, let's try masks! That didn't work in
1918, so it's a sure thing!"

Lots of people thought the masks protected them, but the real purpose
was to protect others from them. In that, it worked both for the 1918
and covid pandemics.

So I've read. And if coughing on someone was an issue I'd
have to agree. But that isn't how it was presented.

The CDC messed up on the Covid pandemic from the start. The PCR test
that they initially put out did not work, and it took them a while to
fix it, and that ended any hope of an organized testing program early in
the pandemic. They messed up on presenting why people should wear
masks. For some stupid reason a lot of their nonsense was about
protecting the wearer of the mask, but a cloth mask or loose fitting N95
has limited protection ability. They should have been more honest and
explained that Covid was an airborne transmissible virus, and that
infected people wearing masks greatly reduced the amount of virus in the
environment.
The CDC is currently screwing up by the numbers with the Dairy epidemic
because they were shell shocked by Covid, and they are reluctant to do
the right thing. Instead they would rather go into denial, and pretend
that everything doesn't really matter that much. It looks like the main
reason that the dairy epidemic has not been treated as it should have
been is because of politics and fear of those politics. The Trumpies
wanted to prosecute some of them for the Covid fiasco, so they seem to
want to keep their heads down. As stupid as it may be the initial H5N1
PCR test was defective. To be fair the CDC blamed the company making
the test for the testing issues, but it took the CDC months to fix
something that could have been dealt with in a couple of weeks, and that
is one of the reasons that the CDC never started dairy worker testing.
After the test was fixed they likely didn't want to show how much of a
screw up the initial test fiasco was by finding a lot of infected
workers, so testing has never really started even after they claimed
that they were going to start two months ago. As crazy as it may seem
the H5N1 test that the CDC has given out for commercial testing is a
nasal swab test, and the CDC knows that most of the dairy workers are
only shedding virus from their eyes and that nasal swabs are usually
negative for infected dairy workers. They literally put out a test that
is likely to fail to detect the dairy infection. Could incompetence be
a factor for doing everything that should not be done and not doing what
should be done?

And those who distrust the CDC are labeled as kooks. Go
figure.

[jillery]

Post by Bob Casanova
On Sat, 28 Dec 2024 11:59:35 -0600, the following appeared

Post by RonO

Post by Bob Casanova
On Fri, 27 Dec 2024 17:30:32 -0800, the following appeared
in talk.origins, posted by erik simpson

Post by erik simpson

Post by Bob Casanova
On Fri, 27 Dec 2024 13:28:39 -0800, the following appeared
in talk.origins, posted by erik simpson

Post by erik simpson

Post by RonO

Post by Chris Thompson

Post by RonO
My computer went down, and it just came back today.
A lot has happened with the Dairy virus.  Cats exposed to raw milk in
California have died.

And it wiped out half the big cats in a Washington sanctuary
https://www.npr.org/2024/12/26/nx-s1-5239841/bird-flu-kills-20-cats-
washington-sanctuary
And it's killed hundreds of wild bald eagles
https://www.washingtonpost.com/science/interactive/2024/bald-eagle-
avian-flu-death/

There seems to be a willful cover up about the cats that are going down.
 They refuse to release the strain of the virus that killed the cats
even though they know what it is.  They made them get rid of their food
supply so my guess is that it was due to the dairy virus, and the cats
were infected by eating downed cattle likely donated to the facility.
Here in Arkansas down cattle are routinely donated to the the local big
cat sanctuary because they can't be used for human consumption and have
to go to the renderers.  Washington already knows that they have the
dairy virus in the state, but they have refused to test their dairies.
The Washington poultry farm that went down with the dairy virus and the
11 poultry workers that got infected got infected by a local dairy. That
is how the poultry farms in all the other states have gotten infected.
Dairy workers also work on poultry farms and take the virus to those
other farms.  They have been lying about this situation since the
beginning of this fiasco, and it is catching up with them in Washington
where they refused to acknowledge reality.  Utah immediately understood
how their poultry farm got infected and found 8 infected dairies in the
same county.  The dairies are just not self reporting being infected.
So the CDC and USDA have started not releasing what strain of the virus
that they are dealing with in these situations because it makes them
look like the losers that they have been for months.  Instead they just
make the cat sanctuary discard their current food supply without testing it.
This likely means that sick cattle are likely going to slaughter in
states that have not admitted to having dairy infections in states like
Washington, and contaminated meat is likely in the current food supply
unless they have stopped sending cull dairy cattle to slaughter.
The house cats that have died due to raw milk and raw food are also a
case in point.  They have already sequenced the virus and know that the
sequence from the dead cats and the raw food had identical sequence, but
they won't say if it was the dairy virus or not.  The cat that died
drinking raw milk was obviously the dairy virus, but they won't admit to it.
They have needed to detect all the infected dairies and isolate the
dairy workers since the beginning, but they never wanted to do what
needed to be done to prevent human infections.  Even California joined
in with the denial.  They claimed that they were going to start testing
dairy workers, but that never happened and they only have tested 130
(found 36 infected) out of more than 5,000 known to have been exposed to
infected cattle.  The Michigan and Colorado antibody screen indicates
that 7 to 10% of dairy workers at infected farms were infected in those
states.  California is a tragic case in point because they knew that
dairy workers were taking the virus to other farms because their initial
contact tracing found dozens of infected farms sharing dairy workers,
but they refused to restrict the movement of the farm workers between
dairies and poultry farms, and ended up with a lot of infected poultry
flocks, and half the dairy farms in California as currently infected.
The easiest way to infect another dairy or poultry farm is for an
infected dairy worker shedding live virus to go to those farms, and they
have known that was happening since Michigan and Texas found that 7% of
the dairy workers on infected farms also worked at poultry farms, and
even more worked at other dairies.  For most dairies dairy work is part
time, and workers work at more than one farm.
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/avian-influenza-bird-flu/oregon-avian-flu-cat-death-prompts-nationwide-raw-pet-food-recall
They need to monitor the contacts of the sick cats because the cats were
shedding live virus.  We do not want the same type of infections in
humans.  The dairy virus infects the brains of cats and kills them.  The
CDC is claiming to be worried about the virus becoming a human
respiratory infection, but if it became a neurological infection like it
is for cats and some other mammals that would be much worse.
What is stupid is that the CDC has approved a commercial test for H5N1,
but as stupid as it may seem it is a nasal swab test, and it is known
that the high majority of workers infected by the dairy virus are
negative for nasal swabs and only positive for eye swabs.  The dairy
virus seems to infect mammary glands and tear ducts effectively.  This
means that the approved commercial test is nearly worthless for testing
dairy workers and poultry workers.
Ron Okimoto

This is making me wonder if there is any reason to have a CDC. It seems
as thought they do nothing unless someone kicks them, and they still do
nothing.

Pretty much: "Oooh, let's try masks! That didn't work in
1918, so it's a sure thing!"

Lots of people thought the masks protected them, but the real purpose
was to protect others from them. In that, it worked both for the 1918
and covid pandemics.

So I've read. And if coughing on someone was an issue I'd
have to agree. But that isn't how it was presented.

The CDC messed up on the Covid pandemic from the start. The PCR test
that they initially put out did not work, and it took them a while to
fix it, and that ended any hope of an organized testing program early in
the pandemic. They messed up on presenting why people should wear
masks. For some stupid reason a lot of their nonsense was about
protecting the wearer of the mask, but a cloth mask or loose fitting N95
has limited protection ability. They should have been more honest and
explained that Covid was an airborne transmissible virus, and that
infected people wearing masks greatly reduced the amount of virus in the
environment.
The CDC is currently screwing up by the numbers with the Dairy epidemic
because they were shell shocked by Covid, and they are reluctant to do
the right thing. Instead they would rather go into denial, and pretend
that everything doesn't really matter that much. It looks like the main
reason that the dairy epidemic has not been treated as it should have
been is because of politics and fear of those politics. The Trumpies
wanted to prosecute some of them for the Covid fiasco, so they seem to
want to keep their heads down. As stupid as it may be the initial H5N1
PCR test was defective. To be fair the CDC blamed the company making
the test for the testing issues, but it took the CDC months to fix
something that could have been dealt with in a couple of weeks, and that
is one of the reasons that the CDC never started dairy worker testing.
After the test was fixed they likely didn't want to show how much of a
screw up the initial test fiasco was by finding a lot of infected
workers, so testing has never really started even after they claimed
that they were going to start two months ago. As crazy as it may seem
the H5N1 test that the CDC has given out for commercial testing is a
nasal swab test, and the CDC knows that most of the dairy workers are
only shedding virus from their eyes and that nasal swabs are usually
negative for infected dairy workers. They literally put out a test that
is likely to fail to detect the dairy infection. Could incompetence be
a factor for doing everything that should not be done and not doing what
should be done?

And those who distrust the CDC are labeled as kooks. Go
figure.

That's not why they were labeled as kooks. Better to recognize that
both the CDC and the anti-masker/anti-vaxxer kooks were working from a
combination of ignorance and stupidity, a common result when political
ideologies are mixed into acute issues.

[RonO]

Post by Bob Casanova
On Sat, 28 Dec 2024 11:59:35 -0600, the following appeared

Post by RonO

Post by Bob Casanova
On Fri, 27 Dec 2024 17:30:32 -0800, the following appeared
in talk.origins, posted by erik simpson

Post by erik simpson

Post by Bob Casanova
On Fri, 27 Dec 2024 13:28:39 -0800, the following appeared
in talk.origins, posted by erik simpson

Post by erik simpson

Post by RonO

Post by Chris Thompson

Post by RonO
My computer went down, and it just came back today.
A lot has happened with the Dairy virus.  Cats exposed to raw milk in
California have died.

And it wiped out half the big cats in a Washington sanctuary
https://www.npr.org/2024/12/26/nx-s1-5239841/bird-flu-kills-20-cats-
washington-sanctuary
And it's killed hundreds of wild bald eagles
https://www.washingtonpost.com/science/interactive/2024/bald-eagle-
avian-flu-death/

There seems to be a willful cover up about the cats that are going down.
 They refuse to release the strain of the virus that killed the cats
even though they know what it is.  They made them get rid of their food
supply so my guess is that it was due to the dairy virus, and the cats
were infected by eating downed cattle likely donated to the facility.
Here in Arkansas down cattle are routinely donated to the the local big
cat sanctuary because they can't be used for human consumption and have
to go to the renderers.  Washington already knows that they have the
dairy virus in the state, but they have refused to test their dairies.
The Washington poultry farm that went down with the dairy virus and the
11 poultry workers that got infected got infected by a local dairy. That
is how the poultry farms in all the other states have gotten infected.
Dairy workers also work on poultry farms and take the virus to those
other farms.  They have been lying about this situation since the
beginning of this fiasco, and it is catching up with them in Washington
where they refused to acknowledge reality.  Utah immediately understood
how their poultry farm got infected and found 8 infected dairies in the
same county.  The dairies are just not self reporting being infected.
So the CDC and USDA have started not releasing what strain of the virus
that they are dealing with in these situations because it makes them
look like the losers that they have been for months.  Instead they just
make the cat sanctuary discard their current food supply without testing it.
This likely means that sick cattle are likely going to slaughter in
states that have not admitted to having dairy infections in states like
Washington, and contaminated meat is likely in the current food supply
unless they have stopped sending cull dairy cattle to slaughter.
The house cats that have died due to raw milk and raw food are also a
case in point.  They have already sequenced the virus and know that the
sequence from the dead cats and the raw food had identical sequence, but
they won't say if it was the dairy virus or not.  The cat that died
drinking raw milk was obviously the dairy virus, but they won't admit to it.
They have needed to detect all the infected dairies and isolate the
dairy workers since the beginning, but they never wanted to do what
needed to be done to prevent human infections.  Even California joined
in with the denial.  They claimed that they were going to start testing
dairy workers, but that never happened and they only have tested 130
(found 36 infected) out of more than 5,000 known to have been exposed to
infected cattle.  The Michigan and Colorado antibody screen indicates
that 7 to 10% of dairy workers at infected farms were infected in those
states.  California is a tragic case in point because they knew that
dairy workers were taking the virus to other farms because their initial
contact tracing found dozens of infected farms sharing dairy workers,
but they refused to restrict the movement of the farm workers between
dairies and poultry farms, and ended up with a lot of infected poultry
flocks, and half the dairy farms in California as currently infected.
The easiest way to infect another dairy or poultry farm is for an
infected dairy worker shedding live virus to go to those farms, and they
have known that was happening since Michigan and Texas found that 7% of
the dairy workers on infected farms also worked at poultry farms, and
even more worked at other dairies.  For most dairies dairy work is part
time, and workers work at more than one farm.
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/avian-influenza-bird-flu/oregon-avian-flu-cat-death-prompts-nationwide-raw-pet-food-recall
They need to monitor the contacts of the sick cats because the cats were
shedding live virus.  We do not want the same type of infections in
humans.  The dairy virus infects the brains of cats and kills them.  The
CDC is claiming to be worried about the virus becoming a human
respiratory infection, but if it became a neurological infection like it
is for cats and some other mammals that would be much worse.
What is stupid is that the CDC has approved a commercial test for H5N1,
but as stupid as it may seem it is a nasal swab test, and it is known
that the high majority of workers infected by the dairy virus are
negative for nasal swabs and only positive for eye swabs.  The dairy
virus seems to infect mammary glands and tear ducts effectively.  This
means that the approved commercial test is nearly worthless for testing
dairy workers and poultry workers.
Ron Okimoto

This is making me wonder if there is any reason to have a CDC. It seems
as thought they do nothing unless someone kicks them, and they still do
nothing.

Pretty much: "Oooh, let's try masks! That didn't work in
1918, so it's a sure thing!"

Lots of people thought the masks protected them, but the real purpose
was to protect others from them. In that, it worked both for the 1918
and covid pandemics.

So I've read. And if coughing on someone was an issue I'd
have to agree. But that isn't how it was presented.

The CDC messed up on the Covid pandemic from the start. The PCR test
that they initially put out did not work, and it took them a while to
fix it, and that ended any hope of an organized testing program early in
the pandemic. They messed up on presenting why people should wear
masks. For some stupid reason a lot of their nonsense was about
protecting the wearer of the mask, but a cloth mask or loose fitting N95
has limited protection ability. They should have been more honest and
explained that Covid was an airborne transmissible virus, and that
infected people wearing masks greatly reduced the amount of virus in the
environment.
The CDC is currently screwing up by the numbers with the Dairy epidemic
because they were shell shocked by Covid, and they are reluctant to do
the right thing. Instead they would rather go into denial, and pretend
that everything doesn't really matter that much. It looks like the main
reason that the dairy epidemic has not been treated as it should have
been is because of politics and fear of those politics. The Trumpies
wanted to prosecute some of them for the Covid fiasco, so they seem to
want to keep their heads down. As stupid as it may be the initial H5N1
PCR test was defective. To be fair the CDC blamed the company making
the test for the testing issues, but it took the CDC months to fix
something that could have been dealt with in a couple of weeks, and that
is one of the reasons that the CDC never started dairy worker testing.
After the test was fixed they likely didn't want to show how much of a
screw up the initial test fiasco was by finding a lot of infected
workers, so testing has never really started even after they claimed
that they were going to start two months ago. As crazy as it may seem
the H5N1 test that the CDC has given out for commercial testing is a
nasal swab test, and the CDC knows that most of the dairy workers are
only shedding virus from their eyes and that nasal swabs are usually
negative for infected dairy workers. They literally put out a test that
is likely to fail to detect the dairy infection. Could incompetence be
a factor for doing everything that should not be done and not doing what
should be done?

And those who distrust the CDC are labeled as kooks. Go
figure.

What the CDC is guilty of doing with the dairy infection doesn't mean
that the Trumpies anti-maskers and anti-vaccination kooks are not kooks.
It just means that the kooks have a lame excuse for existing.

Ron Okimoto

[Bob Casanova]

On Sun, 29 Dec 2024 09:54:10 -0600, the following appeared

Post by RonO

Post by Bob Casanova
On Sat, 28 Dec 2024 11:59:35 -0600, the following appeared

Post by RonO

Post by Bob Casanova
On Fri, 27 Dec 2024 17:30:32 -0800, the following appeared
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Post by erik simpson

Post by Bob Casanova
On Fri, 27 Dec 2024 13:28:39 -0800, the following appeared
in talk.origins, posted by erik simpson

Post by erik simpson

Post by RonO

Post by Chris Thompson

Post by RonO
My computer went down, and it just came back today.
A lot has happened with the Dairy virus.  Cats exposed to raw milk in
California have died.

And it wiped out half the big cats in a Washington sanctuary
https://www.npr.org/2024/12/26/nx-s1-5239841/bird-flu-kills-20-cats-
washington-sanctuary
And it's killed hundreds of wild bald eagles
https://www.washingtonpost.com/science/interactive/2024/bald-eagle-
avian-flu-death/

There seems to be a willful cover up about the cats that are going down.
 They refuse to release the strain of the virus that killed the cats
even though they know what it is.  They made them get rid of their food
supply so my guess is that it was due to the dairy virus, and the cats
were infected by eating downed cattle likely donated to the facility.
Here in Arkansas down cattle are routinely donated to the the local big
cat sanctuary because they can't be used for human consumption and have
to go to the renderers.  Washington already knows that they have the
dairy virus in the state, but they have refused to test their dairies.
The Washington poultry farm that went down with the dairy virus and the
11 poultry workers that got infected got infected by a local dairy. That
is how the poultry farms in all the other states have gotten infected.
Dairy workers also work on poultry farms and take the virus to those
other farms.  They have been lying about this situation since the
beginning of this fiasco, and it is catching up with them in Washington
where they refused to acknowledge reality.  Utah immediately understood
how their poultry farm got infected and found 8 infected dairies in the
same county.  The dairies are just not self reporting being infected.
So the CDC and USDA have started not releasing what strain of the virus
that they are dealing with in these situations because it makes them
look like the losers that they have been for months.  Instead they just
make the cat sanctuary discard their current food supply without testing it.
This likely means that sick cattle are likely going to slaughter in
states that have not admitted to having dairy infections in states like
Washington, and contaminated meat is likely in the current food supply
unless they have stopped sending cull dairy cattle to slaughter.
The house cats that have died due to raw milk and raw food are also a
case in point.  They have already sequenced the virus and know that the
sequence from the dead cats and the raw food had identical sequence, but
they won't say if it was the dairy virus or not.  The cat that died
drinking raw milk was obviously the dairy virus, but they won't admit to it.
They have needed to detect all the infected dairies and isolate the
dairy workers since the beginning, but they never wanted to do what
needed to be done to prevent human infections.  Even California joined
in with the denial.  They claimed that they were going to start testing
dairy workers, but that never happened and they only have tested 130
(found 36 infected) out of more than 5,000 known to have been exposed to
infected cattle.  The Michigan and Colorado antibody screen indicates
that 7 to 10% of dairy workers at infected farms were infected in those
states.  California is a tragic case in point because they knew that
dairy workers were taking the virus to other farms because their initial
contact tracing found dozens of infected farms sharing dairy workers,
but they refused to restrict the movement of the farm workers between
dairies and poultry farms, and ended up with a lot of infected poultry
flocks, and half the dairy farms in California as currently infected.
The easiest way to infect another dairy or poultry farm is for an
infected dairy worker shedding live virus to go to those farms, and they
have known that was happening since Michigan and Texas found that 7% of
the dairy workers on infected farms also worked at poultry farms, and
even more worked at other dairies.  For most dairies dairy work is part
time, and workers work at more than one farm.
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/avian-influenza-bird-flu/oregon-avian-flu-cat-death-prompts-nationwide-raw-pet-food-recall
They need to monitor the contacts of the sick cats because the cats were
shedding live virus.  We do not want the same type of infections in
humans.  The dairy virus infects the brains of cats and kills them.  The
CDC is claiming to be worried about the virus becoming a human
respiratory infection, but if it became a neurological infection like it
is for cats and some other mammals that would be much worse.
What is stupid is that the CDC has approved a commercial test for H5N1,
but as stupid as it may seem it is a nasal swab test, and it is known
that the high majority of workers infected by the dairy virus are
negative for nasal swabs and only positive for eye swabs.  The dairy
virus seems to infect mammary glands and tear ducts effectively.  This
means that the approved commercial test is nearly worthless for testing
dairy workers and poultry workers.
Ron Okimoto

This is making me wonder if there is any reason to have a CDC. It seems
as thought they do nothing unless someone kicks them, and they still do
nothing.

Pretty much: "Oooh, let's try masks! That didn't work in
1918, so it's a sure thing!"

Lots of people thought the masks protected them, but the real purpose
was to protect others from them. In that, it worked both for the 1918
and covid pandemics.

So I've read. And if coughing on someone was an issue I'd
have to agree. But that isn't how it was presented.

The CDC messed up on the Covid pandemic from the start. The PCR test
that they initially put out did not work, and it took them a while to
fix it, and that ended any hope of an organized testing program early in
the pandemic. They messed up on presenting why people should wear
masks. For some stupid reason a lot of their nonsense was about
protecting the wearer of the mask, but a cloth mask or loose fitting N95
has limited protection ability. They should have been more honest and
explained that Covid was an airborne transmissible virus, and that
infected people wearing masks greatly reduced the amount of virus in the
environment.
The CDC is currently screwing up by the numbers with the Dairy epidemic
because they were shell shocked by Covid, and they are reluctant to do
the right thing. Instead they would rather go into denial, and pretend
that everything doesn't really matter that much. It looks like the main
reason that the dairy epidemic has not been treated as it should have
been is because of politics and fear of those politics. The Trumpies
wanted to prosecute some of them for the Covid fiasco, so they seem to
want to keep their heads down. As stupid as it may be the initial H5N1
PCR test was defective. To be fair the CDC blamed the company making
the test for the testing issues, but it took the CDC months to fix
something that could have been dealt with in a couple of weeks, and that
is one of the reasons that the CDC never started dairy worker testing.
After the test was fixed they likely didn't want to show how much of a
screw up the initial test fiasco was by finding a lot of infected
workers, so testing has never really started even after they claimed
that they were going to start two months ago. As crazy as it may seem
the H5N1 test that the CDC has given out for commercial testing is a
nasal swab test, and the CDC knows that most of the dairy workers are
only shedding virus from their eyes and that nasal swabs are usually
negative for infected dairy workers. They literally put out a test that
is likely to fail to detect the dairy infection. Could incompetence be
a factor for doing everything that should not be done and not doing what
should be done?

And those who distrust the CDC are labeled as kooks. Go
figure.

What the CDC is guilty of doing with the dairy infection doesn't mean
that the Trumpies anti-maskers and anti-vaccination kooks are not kooks.
It just means that the kooks have a lame excuse for existing.

Of course it doesn't, nor did I say it did. But the latest,
as you document, demonstrates that the CDC can't be trusted
implicitly. No bureaucracy can; Pournelle's "Iron Law" has
never been refuted long-term. "Trust, but verify" remains
good policy.

[jillery]

Post by Bob Casanova
On Sun, 29 Dec 2024 09:54:10 -0600, the following appeared

Post by RonO

Post by Bob Casanova
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Post by RonO

Post by Bob Casanova
On Fri, 27 Dec 2024 17:30:32 -0800, the following appeared
in talk.origins, posted by erik simpson

Post by erik simpson

Post by Bob Casanova
On Fri, 27 Dec 2024 13:28:39 -0800, the following appeared
in talk.origins, posted by erik simpson

Post by erik simpson

Post by RonO

Post by Chris Thompson

Post by RonO
My computer went down, and it just came back today.
A lot has happened with the Dairy virus.  Cats exposed to raw milk in
California have died.

And it wiped out half the big cats in a Washington sanctuary
https://www.npr.org/2024/12/26/nx-s1-5239841/bird-flu-kills-20-cats-
washington-sanctuary
And it's killed hundreds of wild bald eagles
https://www.washingtonpost.com/science/interactive/2024/bald-eagle-
avian-flu-death/

There seems to be a willful cover up about the cats that are going down.
 They refuse to release the strain of the virus that killed the cats
even though they know what it is.  They made them get rid of their food
supply so my guess is that it was due to the dairy virus, and the cats
were infected by eating downed cattle likely donated to the facility.
Here in Arkansas down cattle are routinely donated to the the local big
cat sanctuary because they can't be used for human consumption and have
to go to the renderers.  Washington already knows that they have the
dairy virus in the state, but they have refused to test their dairies.
The Washington poultry farm that went down with the dairy virus and the
11 poultry workers that got infected got infected by a local dairy. That
is how the poultry farms in all the other states have gotten infected.
Dairy workers also work on poultry farms and take the virus to those
other farms.  They have been lying about this situation since the
beginning of this fiasco, and it is catching up with them in Washington
where they refused to acknowledge reality.  Utah immediately understood
how their poultry farm got infected and found 8 infected dairies in the
same county.  The dairies are just not self reporting being infected.
So the CDC and USDA have started not releasing what strain of the virus
that they are dealing with in these situations because it makes them
look like the losers that they have been for months.  Instead they just
make the cat sanctuary discard their current food supply without testing
it.
This likely means that sick cattle are likely going to slaughter in
states that have not admitted to having dairy infections in states like
Washington, and contaminated meat is likely in the current food supply
unless they have stopped sending cull dairy cattle to slaughter.
The house cats that have died due to raw milk and raw food are also a
case in point.  They have already sequenced the virus and know that the
sequence from the dead cats and the raw food had identical sequence, but
they won't say if it was the dairy virus or not.  The cat that died
drinking raw milk was obviously the dairy virus, but they won't admit to
it.
They have needed to detect all the infected dairies and isolate the
dairy workers since the beginning, but they never wanted to do what
needed to be done to prevent human infections.  Even California joined
in with the denial.  They claimed that they were going to start testing
dairy workers, but that never happened and they only have tested 130
(found 36 infected) out of more than 5,000 known to have been exposed to
infected cattle.  The Michigan and Colorado antibody screen indicates
that 7 to 10% of dairy workers at infected farms were infected in those
states.  California is a tragic case in point because they knew that
dairy workers were taking the virus to other farms because their initial
contact tracing found dozens of infected farms sharing dairy workers,
but they refused to restrict the movement of the farm workers between
dairies and poultry farms, and ended up with a lot of infected poultry
flocks, and half the dairy farms in California as currently infected.
The easiest way to infect another dairy or poultry farm is for an
infected dairy worker shedding live virus to go to those farms, and they
have known that was happening since Michigan and Texas found that 7% of
the dairy workers on infected farms also worked at poultry farms, and
even more worked at other dairies.  For most dairies dairy work is part
time, and workers work at more than one farm.
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/avian-influenza-bird-flu/oregon-avian-flu-cat-death-prompts-nationwide-raw-pet-food-recall
They need to monitor the contacts of the sick cats because the cats were
shedding live virus.  We do not want the same type of infections in
humans.  The dairy virus infects the brains of cats and kills them.  The
CDC is claiming to be worried about the virus becoming a human
respiratory infection, but if it became a neurological infection like it
is for cats and some other mammals that would be much worse.
What is stupid is that the CDC has approved a commercial test for H5N1,
but as stupid as it may seem it is a nasal swab test, and it is known
that the high majority of workers infected by the dairy virus are
negative for nasal swabs and only positive for eye swabs.  The dairy
virus seems to infect mammary glands and tear ducts effectively.  This
means that the approved commercial test is nearly worthless for testing
dairy workers and poultry workers.
Ron Okimoto

This is making me wonder if there is any reason to have a CDC. It seems
as thought they do nothing unless someone kicks them, and they still do
nothing.

Pretty much: "Oooh, let's try masks! That didn't work in
1918, so it's a sure thing!"

Lots of people thought the masks protected them, but the real purpose
was to protect others from them. In that, it worked both for the 1918
and covid pandemics.

So I've read. And if coughing on someone was an issue I'd
have to agree. But that isn't how it was presented.

The CDC messed up on the Covid pandemic from the start. The PCR test
that they initially put out did not work, and it took them a while to
fix it, and that ended any hope of an organized testing program early in
the pandemic. They messed up on presenting why people should wear
masks. For some stupid reason a lot of their nonsense was about
protecting the wearer of the mask, but a cloth mask or loose fitting N95
has limited protection ability. They should have been more honest and
explained that Covid was an airborne transmissible virus, and that
infected people wearing masks greatly reduced the amount of virus in the
environment.
The CDC is currently screwing up by the numbers with the Dairy epidemic
because they were shell shocked by Covid, and they are reluctant to do
the right thing. Instead they would rather go into denial, and pretend
that everything doesn't really matter that much. It looks like the main
reason that the dairy epidemic has not been treated as it should have
been is because of politics and fear of those politics. The Trumpies
wanted to prosecute some of them for the Covid fiasco, so they seem to
want to keep their heads down. As stupid as it may be the initial H5N1
PCR test was defective. To be fair the CDC blamed the company making
the test for the testing issues, but it took the CDC months to fix
something that could have been dealt with in a couple of weeks, and that
is one of the reasons that the CDC never started dairy worker testing.
After the test was fixed they likely didn't want to show how much of a
screw up the initial test fiasco was by finding a lot of infected
workers, so testing has never really started even after they claimed
that they were going to start two months ago. As crazy as it may seem
the H5N1 test that the CDC has given out for commercial testing is a
nasal swab test, and the CDC knows that most of the dairy workers are
only shedding virus from their eyes and that nasal swabs are usually
negative for infected dairy workers. They literally put out a test that
is likely to fail to detect the dairy infection. Could incompetence be
a factor for doing everything that should not be done and not doing what
should be done?

And those who distrust the CDC are labeled as kooks. Go
figure.

What the CDC is guilty of doing with the dairy infection doesn't mean
that the Trumpies anti-maskers and anti-vaccination kooks are not kooks.
It just means that the kooks have a lame excuse for existing.

Of course it doesn't, nor did I say it did.

And nobody said you said it did.

Post by Bob Casanova
But the latest,
as you document, demonstrates that the CDC can't be trusted
implicitly.

And nobody said they could be trusted "implicitly".

Post by Bob Casanova
No bureaucracy can; Pournelle's "Iron Law" has
never been refuted long-term. "Trust, but verify" remains
good policy.

That doesn't speak well for your kooks, now does it?

[Kestrel Clayton]

Post by RonO
My computer went down, and it just came back today.

My sympathies about your computer. Thank you for continuing to keep us
informed about H5N1.

[RonO]

Post by RonO
My computer went down, and it just came back today.
A lot has happened with the Dairy virus.  Cats exposed to raw milk in
California have died.  An Oregon cat ate raw food (turkey based) and was
infected.  The USDA and CDC are not making a distinction between the
dairy virus and other H5N1 variants in these recent cases.
https://www.oregonvma.org/news/highly-pathogenic-avian-influenza-h5n1
The Oregon case was sequenced and they know what the genotype of the
H5N1 influenza was, but that was not released.  They only claim that the
sequence of the virus from the dead cat was the same as the sequence of
the virus found in the recalled frozen cat food.  If it was the dairy
virus there would have had to be raw milk product in the food, or the
Turkeys may have been infected with the dairy virus like they have been
in California and other states like Minnesota.  The poultry flocks get
the virus from dairy herds, so Oregon likely has infected herds, but
they do not want to know that they have it.
The USDA is supposed to be testing dairies in Oregon, but they may not
have started yet.
Southern California dairies have been found to be infected, and more
dairy workers were found to have been infected.
Half the dairies in California have been found to be infected, and they
just likely need to test the other half to find a lot more.  As stupid
as it may seem they are still making excuses as to how the virus is
spreading to so many dairies so quickly.  Transfer on clothing and skin
are a long shot, and they admit that exchange of equipment isn't
happening, but they still do not want to admit that infected workers are
taking the virus to other dairies.  They know that 5 to 10% of the dairy
workers are getting infected, but they just are not testing them.  The
infected will obviously shed live virus onto other farms, and this is
the most likely mode of transmission to nearby poultry farms because 7%
of the dairy workers in Michigan and Texas surveyed on infected dairies
also worked on poultry farms.  Dairy work is mostly part time work, and
dairy workers work on more than one dairy and also poultry farms.  This
reality has been denied by the USDA and CDC since the first poultry farm
went down in Texas, and the first infected dairy worker was found to be
shedding live virus (they made infected cell cultures and that virus
became the research H5N1 strain).
The denial continues, and poultry farms continue to go down and the
spread from farm to farm continues unabated by "quarantine" that doesn't
include farm worker movements and employment.
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/avian-influenza-bird-flu/avian-flu-infects-2-
more-california-dairy-workers-cdc-confirms-wisconsin
For likely political reasons California stopped it's planned testing of
dairy workers and only claims to be monitoring dairy workers.  Only 130
individuals were ever tested.  The Colorado and Michigan antibody
testing indicates that around 7% of dairy workers may have been
infected.  California claims to be monitoring 5,000 dairy workers.  If
they had tested them they may have found over 300 infected by now, and
may have prevented a lot of dairy and poultry infections.
Ron Okimoto

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/avian-influenza-bird-flu/oregon-avian-flu-cat-death-prompts-nationwide-raw-pet-food-recall

They don't know how some of the California cats are getting infected and
they won't say if it is the dairy virus, just claim that it is H5N1.
The claim of having over 900 infected dairies nation wide should come
with the caveat that most of the infections in other states have not
been reported due to not being tested. If all the states had done what
California has done the number is likely over 2500 by now. Colorado
tested all of their farms in order to stop the spread, but they only had
100 herds total in the state and over 60 of them were found to be
positive before they got the infection under control by isolating the
infected dairies. My take is that likely over half the herds in all the
states known to have infected herds have been infected, and there are
states like Washington and Florida that obviously have infected herds,
but do not want to admit to it. Both states have had poultry farms go
down with the dairy virus, and the poultry farms are known to be
infected by nearby dairies, likely due to shared workers.

3 more layer farms have been infected in California. These layer farms
have hundreds of thousands to millions of birds on each farm. 10s of
millions of layers have been infected with the dairy virus by nearby
dairies in multiple states. The denial should end, and dairy workers
should be prevented from also working on poultry farms unless their
dairy farm has been found to be negative for the virus. There is
starting to be an egg shortage in some states and egg prices are going
up. It takes years to get a large layer operation up to full capacity.
They can't stock 3 million birds all at once. What they do is start a
flock, and get it into production before adding younger birds for the
second flock and so forth for subsequent additions until the farm is
fully stocked. This is so there is maximum production throughout the
year once all the different aged flocks are in production with one going
into production and an older flock being taken out.

Ron Okimoto