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Second California child infected with H5N1
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RonO
2025-01-13 20:21:19 UTC
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They are not saying whether it is the dairy virus, but conjunctivitis is
the primary symptom of dairy virus infection. They do not know how the
child was infected, but since it is an eye infection my first guess is
that the child was infected by a dairy worker contact. The first child
infected by the dairy virus had a gut infection that likely came from
ingesting pasteurized milk (they claim the source of infection is
unknown, but the childs only contact with dairy cattle was the milk they
drank). This child doesn't have a gut infection, and it is likely that
cows have been infected by infected dairy workers primarily shedding
virus from their eyes. All of this has been denied by the USDA and CDC
even though they know that dairy workers are spreading the virus, and
that infected dairy workers shed live virus.

More commercial poultry flocks are going down.

Still no results from the USDA bulk milk tank testing, and the CDC's
claims to have started testing dairy workers over a month ago. As sad
as it may be the CDC claimed that one of the reasons that they needed to
test the dairy workers (they found out that 7 to 10% of them were likely
getting infected) was to treat the infected with anti-virals to reduce
virus production and prevent the evolution of the virus into one more
likely to infect humans. They haven't started testing, as far as I
know. The dairy workers infected when they made the annoucement over a
month ago have already recovered from the infection by now. How may
dairy worker have recovered in the time that they have been doing
nothing since the start of the infection in March?

Ron Okimoto
RonO
2025-01-14 22:01:05 UTC
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https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/avian-influenza-bird-flu/san-francisco-
reports-h5n1-avian-flu-child
They are not saying whether it is the dairy virus, but conjunctivitis is
the primary symptom of dairy virus infection.  They do not know how the
child was infected, but since it is an eye infection my first guess is
that the child was infected by a dairy worker contact.  The first child
infected by the dairy virus had a gut infection that likely came from
ingesting pasteurized milk (they claim the source of infection is
unknown, but the childs only contact with dairy cattle was the milk they
drank).  This child doesn't have a gut infection, and it is likely that
cows have been infected by infected dairy workers primarily shedding
virus from their eyes.  All of this has been denied by the USDA and CDC
even though they know that dairy workers are spreading the virus, and
that infected dairy workers shed live virus.
More commercial poultry flocks are going down.
Still no results from the USDA bulk milk tank testing, and the CDC's
claims to have started testing dairy workers over a month ago.  As sad
as it may be the CDC claimed that one of the reasons that they needed to
test the dairy workers (they found out that 7 to 10% of them were likely
getting infected) was to treat the infected with anti-virals to reduce
virus production and prevent the evolution of the virus into one more
likely to infect humans.  They haven't started testing, as far as I
know.  The dairy workers infected when they made the annoucement over a
month ago have already recovered from the infection by now.  How may
dairy worker have recovered in the time that they have been doing
nothing since the start of the infection in March?
Ron Okimoto
A lot of cats have been determined to be infected with H5N1. All have
died. It is scary that it becomes a neurological infection in cats that
eat raw pet food or that drank the recalled raw milk.

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/avian-influenza-bird-flu/h5n1-confirmed-more-cats-probe-raw-pet-food-widens

The USDA isn't saying which virus is infecting the cats, but they do
have the information on their mammal infection page.

https://www.aphis.usda.gov/livestock-poultry-disease/avian/avian-influenza/hpai-detections/mammals

All the California cats except the last two (sampled Dec 26) in Los
Angeles have had the dairy virus. The two that are only claimed to have
had the EA virus (East Asian H5N1) either haven't been confirmed to have
the dairy virus or they may have another strain. If they have another
strain they need to figure out why the cats died, and how they were
infected.

The USDA needs to start differentiating the virus strains because the
dairy virus comes from dairy products including dairy cow carcasses,
while other virus may be due to wild bird infections.

Ron Okimoto
RonO
2025-01-16 14:26:12 UTC
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https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/avian-influenza-bird-flu/san-francisco-
reports-h5n1-avian-flu-child
They are not saying whether it is the dairy virus, but conjunctivitis
is the primary symptom of dairy virus infection.  They do not know how
the child was infected, but since it is an eye infection my first
guess is that the child was infected by a dairy worker contact.  The
first child infected by the dairy virus had a gut infection that
likely came from ingesting pasteurized milk (they claim the source of
infection is unknown, but the childs only contact with dairy cattle
was the milk they drank).  This child doesn't have a gut infection,
and it is likely that cows have been infected by infected dairy
workers primarily shedding virus from their eyes.  All of this has
been denied by the USDA and CDC even though they know that dairy
workers are spreading the virus, and that infected dairy workers shed
live virus.
More commercial poultry flocks are going down.
Still no results from the USDA bulk milk tank testing, and the CDC's
claims to have started testing dairy workers over a month ago.  As sad
as it may be the CDC claimed that one of the reasons that they needed
to test the dairy workers (they found out that 7 to 10% of them were
likely getting infected) was to treat the infected with anti-virals to
reduce virus production and prevent the evolution of the virus into
one more likely to infect humans.  They haven't started testing, as
far as I know.  The dairy workers infected when they made the
annoucement over a month ago have already recovered from the infection
by now.  How may dairy worker have recovered in the time that they
have been doing nothing since the start of the infection in March?
Ron Okimoto
A lot of cats have  been determined to be infected with H5N1.  All have
died.  It is scary that it becomes a neurological infection in cats that
eat raw pet food or that drank the recalled raw milk.
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/avian-influenza-bird-flu/h5n1-confirmed-more-
cats-probe-raw-pet-food-widens
The USDA isn't saying which virus is infecting the cats, but they do
have the information on their mammal infection page.
https://www.aphis.usda.gov/livestock-poultry-disease/avian/avian-
influenza/hpai-detections/mammals
All the California cats except the last two (sampled Dec 26) in Los
Angeles have had the dairy virus.  The two that are only claimed to have
had the EA virus (East Asian H5N1) either haven't been confirmed to have
the dairy virus or they may have another strain.  If they have another
strain they need to figure out why the cats died, and how they were
infected.
The USDA needs to start differentiating the virus strains because the
dairy virus comes from dairy products including dairy cow carcasses,
while other virus may be due to wild bird infections.
Ron Okimoto
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/avian-influenza-bird-flu/cdc-tests-confirm-another-h5n1-case-california

The child with conjunctivitis (the dairy virus symptom) has been
confirmed to have been infected by H5N1, but they continue to suppress
the information as to whether it was the dairy virus or not. The
suppression is stupid. It started because too many cats and poultry
flocks were getting infected by the Dairy virus in California, Oregon
and Washingtion when Washington and Oregon have not admitted to having
infected herds, but the dairy virus is obviously coming from somewhere,
and it is known to come from dairy farms for all the poultry infections
in other states with infected dairies.

The child had no dairy cattle contact so how did it get infected in
their eyes? They likely have to do contact tracing back to dairies.
This may be a case of human to human infection. Infected dairy and
poultry workers are known to shed live virus from their eyes.

For the infection to come from milk the child would need to spill milk
on their hands and rub their eyes. An infected dairy worker could
infect the child by rubbing faces together or touching the child face
after rubbing their own eyes. If the two child cases with unknown
source of infection did come from the milk that they drank, it would
mean that the virus is surviving pasteurization like the CDC suspected
back in October when their own study indicated that infectious virus
might survive the most common form of pasteurization. The FDA claimed
that they were going to check it out, but nothing seems to have been
done. All they did was publish a bogus protocol and started asking for
volunteer processing plants and dairies. It looks like they didn't get
any volunteers. They needed to go to processing plants in infected
dairy states and check the milk coming into the plant, and check it
after pasteurization. They needed to review the process to see any
break points. Just a few gallons could account for the rare infections.
They needed to evaluate the process at start up, shift changes, and
maintenance procedures, but instead they have done nothing.

More herds in California, more poultry flocks around the US, but no
results from their silo study for the USDA. How little effort are the
CDC, USDA, and FDA putting into the dairy influenza epidemic? The CDC
claimed that they were going to start testing dairy workers last
November, and nothing has happened. Around a 100 infected dairies ago
California was claiming over 5,000 dairy workers at infected dairies.
There have likely been over 500 worker infections just in California, by
now.

Ron Okimoto

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