Censorship

[JTEM]

Remember when censorship was bad?

I was always against moderation because moderation can't
increase the number of conversation that you want. It
can only stop conversation that you're not tolerant of.
And it's always abused.

Like now.

[Kerr-Mudd, John]

On Tue, 8 Oct 2024 21:52:15 -0400

Post by JTEM
Remember when censorship was bad?
I was always against moderation because moderation can't
increase the number of conversation that you want. It
can only stop conversation that you're not tolerant of.
And it's always abused.
Like now.

Whachyaonnabout now? Did you try to post something even more
nonsensical than usual? In which case you need to complain^w take your
case to an unmoderated group. In the UK we have u.n.n.m for trolls to moan
about how they can't troll properly any more.

[David Greig]

Post by Kerr-Mudd, John
On Tue, 8 Oct 2024 21:52:15 -0400

Post by JTEM
Remember when censorship was bad?
I was always against moderation because moderation can't
increase the number of conversation that you want. It
can only stop conversation that you're not tolerant of.
And it's always abused.
Like now.

Whachyaonnabout now? Did you try to post something even more
nonsensical than usual? In which case you need to complain^w take your
case to an unmoderated group. In the UK we have u.n.n.m for trolls to moan
about how they can't troll properly any more.

I didn't change anything. I mean I patched beagle and updated packages, but
i didn't change the filters.

--D.

[RonO]

Post by David Greig

Post by Kerr-Mudd, John
On Tue, 8 Oct 2024 21:52:15 -0400

Post by JTEM
Remember when censorship was bad?
I was always against moderation because moderation can't
increase the number of conversation that you want. It
can only stop conversation that you're not tolerant of.
And it's always abused.
Like now.

Whachyaonnabout now? Did you try to post something even more
nonsensical than usual? In which case you need to complain^w take your
case to an unmoderated group. In the UK we have u.n.n.m for trolls to moan
about how they can't troll properly any more.

I didn't change anything. I mean I patched beagle and updated packages, but
i didn't change the filters.
--D.

It could be thunderbird or eternal september. More than half of my
posts do not appear on the first try. One recent example took 3
attempts to get posted. For some reason the posts are claimed to have
been sent, but they do not show up on TO. I have to pull them out of
the "sent" folder and try again.

Ron Okimoto

[JTEM]

Post by RonO
It could be thunderbird or eternal september.

I was blocked some years ago for disputing the Gwobull Warbling
gospels.

Of course I had a history of saying crazy things like "Neanderthals
and so called moderns interbred." Or even that feathers were NOT
an arboreal adaptation and predated anything described as a bird
by many millions of years... Madcap!

Over in another group I started knocked-down, dragged out flame
wars by saying offensive things like "Testimony is considered
evidence, accepted in every last court of law and even used in
many scientific studies, including all of them dependent upon
questioning/polling the public."

Madcap!

You can be convicted and even executed on testimony, but it's
not evidence...

I also argued that Naledi isn't millions of years old.

Madcap!

You people take yourselves *Way* too seriously.

[jillery]

Post by JTEM

Post by RonO
It could be thunderbird or eternal september.

I was blocked some years ago for disputing the Gwobull Warbling
gospels.

Not on T.O., for better or worse.

Post by JTEM
Of course I had a history of saying crazy things like "Neanderthals
and so called moderns interbred." Or even that feathers were NOT
an arboreal adaptation and predated anything described as a bird
by many millions of years... Madcap!
Over in another group I started knocked-down, dragged out flame
wars by saying offensive things like "Testimony is considered
evidence, accepted in every last court of law and even used in
many scientific studies, including all of them dependent upon
questioning/polling the public."
Madcap!
You can be convicted and even executed on testimony, but it's
not evidence...
I also argued that Naledi isn't millions of years old.
Madcap!
You people take yourselves *Way* too seriously.

--
To know less than we don't know is the nature of most knowledge

[JTEM]

Post by jillery

Post by JTEM
I was blocked some years ago for disputing the Gwobull Warbling
gospels.

Not on T.O., for better or worse.

Yes on T.O.

I didn't start the thread. I was responding to disinformation
though. And there was lots of it. It was a real wakeup call,
the entire experience and not just being blocked. These were
people who considered themselves objective, "Science based,"
and they were saying a great many easily refuted lies that
they either never questioned or were keeping to an agenda.

[jillery]

Post by JTEM

Post by jillery

Post by JTEM
I was blocked some years ago for disputing the Gwobull Warbling
gospels.

Not on T.O., for better or worse.

Yes on T.O.
I didn't start the thread. I was responding to disinformation
though. And there was lots of it. It was a real wakeup call,
the entire experience and not just being blocked. These were
people who considered themselves objective, "Science based,"
and they were saying a great many easily refuted lies that
they either never questioned or were keeping to an agenda.

Perhaps you mean "blocked" as in nobody responded to your
disinformation. Of course, you won't post a link so people might know
what you're talking about.

--
To know less than we don't know is the nature of most knowledge

[JTEM]

Post by jillery
Perhaps you mean "blocked" as in nobody

I mean "Blocked from posting." I mean "Not allowed to post."

This happened. Get over it. Move on.

Post by jillery
responded to your
disinformation.

Lol! Idiots were saying things like "unprecedented," in describing
the supposed warming the media told them they were seeing. Which is
retarded, because SEVERE climate changes have occurred overnight.

Literally overnight. Super volcanic eruptions have darken the skies,
world wide, sparking a Volcanic Winter.

Google it.

We're not even as warm as the last warm period! It's colder right
now, not warmer, during the Holocene than the last interglacial...

So there was a lot of disinformation being repeated, and I was
responding to it and I was blocked.

[jillery]

Post by JTEM

Post by jillery
Perhaps you mean "blocked" as in nobody

I mean "Blocked from posting." I mean "Not allowed to post."
This happened. Get over it. Move on.

You first.

Post by JTEM

Post by jillery
responded to your
disinformation.

Lol! Idiots were saying things like "unprecedented," in describing
the supposed warming the media told them they were seeing. Which is
retarded, because SEVERE climate changes have occurred overnight.
Literally overnight. Super volcanic eruptions have darken the skies,
world wide, sparking a Volcanic Winter.
Google it.
We're not even as warm as the last warm period! It's colder right
now, not warmer, during the Holocene than the last interglacial...
So there was a lot of disinformation being repeated, and I was
responding to it and I was blocked.

"not allowed to post" suggests some one, as opposed to some thing,
prevented you from posting. Too bad your own cited link shows nothing
and nobody blocking you from T.O.:

**************************
From: JTEM <***@gmail.com>
Newsgroups: talk.origins
Subject: jillery
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2024 17:11:30 -0400
Organization: Eek

Post by JTEM
https://groups.google.com/g/talk.origins/c/20oZDFrDdZk/m/AC5SFgjmjzkJ

***************************

OTOH your cited zombie thread from 2011 does show posters responding
to your disinformation. Not sure if you will ever get tired of
proving yourself wrong.

--
To know less than we don't know is the nature of most knowledge

[JTEM]

Post by jillery

Post by JTEM

Post by jillery
Perhaps you mean "blocked" as in nobody

I mean "Blocked from posting." I mean "Not allowed to post."
This happened. Get over it. Move on.

You first.

That doesn't even make sense. You can't deal with the fact that,
yes, I was blocked here. You need to accept it and move on.

Post by jillery
"not allowed to post" suggests some one, as opposed to some thing,
prevented you from posting.

That is what happened. Yes. Exactly.

I even posted the very thread it happened in.

[JTEM]

Post by jillery
You first.

This was the thread:

https://groups.google.com/g/talk.origins/c/20oZDFrDdZk/m/AC5SFgjmjzkJ

Yes, blocked.

[jillery]

Post by JTEM

Post by jillery
You first.

https://groups.google.com/g/talk.origins/c/20oZDFrDdZk/m/AC5SFgjmjzkJ
Yes, blocked.

You reposted the link yet failed to even try to identify where or who
"blocked" you. You cite facts like Trump.

--
To know less than we don't know is the nature of most knowledge

[JTEM]

Post by jillery

Post by JTEM

Post by jillery
You first.

https://groups.google.com/g/talk.origins/c/20oZDFrDdZk/m/AC5SFgjmjzkJ
Yes, blocked.

You reposted the link yet failed to even try to identify where or who
"blocked" you.

Damn. Your narcissistic personality disorder is MASSIVE!

It's a mystery? Maybe it was Santa Claus?

That was the thread. Blocked.

[erik simpson]

Post by jillery

Post by JTEM

Post by jillery
Perhaps you mean "blocked" as in nobody

I mean "Blocked from posting." I mean "Not allowed to post."
This happened. Get over it. Move on.

You first.

Post by JTEM

Post by jillery
responded to your
disinformation.

Lol! Idiots were saying things like "unprecedented," in describing
the supposed warming the media told them they were seeing. Which is
retarded, because SEVERE climate changes have occurred overnight.
Literally overnight. Super volcanic eruptions have darken the skies,
world wide, sparking a Volcanic Winter.
Google it.
We're not even as warm as the last warm period! It's colder right
now, not warmer, during the Holocene than the last interglacial...
So there was a lot of disinformation being repeated, and I was
responding to it and I was blocked.

"not allowed to post" suggests some one, as opposed to some thing,
prevented you from posting. Too bad your own cited link shows nothing
**************************
Newsgroups: talk.origins
Subject: jillery
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2024 17:11:30 -0400
Organization: Eek

Post by JTEM
https://groups.google.com/g/talk.origins/c/20oZDFrDdZk/m/AC5SFgjmjzkJ

***************************
OTOH your cited zombie thread from 2011 does show posters responding
to your disinformation. Not sure if you will ever get tired of
proving yourself wrong.
--
To know less than we don't know is the nature of most knowledge

I imagine DIG is behind this, long overdue. I don't know why we're
seeing his posts at all. Maybe some extra torture for a special case.

[*Hemidactylus*]

Post by erik simpson

Post by jillery

Post by JTEM

Post by jillery
Perhaps you mean "blocked" as in nobody

I mean "Blocked from posting." I mean "Not allowed to post."
This happened. Get over it. Move on.

You first.

Post by JTEM

Post by jillery
responded to your
disinformation.

Lol! Idiots were saying things like "unprecedented," in describing
the supposed warming the media told them they were seeing. Which is
retarded, because SEVERE climate changes have occurred overnight.
Literally overnight. Super volcanic eruptions have darken the skies,
world wide, sparking a Volcanic Winter.
Google it.
We're not even as warm as the last warm period! It's colder right
now, not warmer, during the Holocene than the last interglacial...
So there was a lot of disinformation being repeated, and I was
responding to it and I was blocked.

"not allowed to post" suggests some one, as opposed to some thing,
prevented you from posting. Too bad your own cited link shows nothing
**************************
Newsgroups: talk.origins
Subject: jillery
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2024 17:11:30 -0400
Organization: Eek

Post by JTEM
https://groups.google.com/g/talk.origins/c/20oZDFrDdZk/m/AC5SFgjmjzkJ

***************************
OTOH your cited zombie thread from 2011 does show posters responding
to your disinformation. Not sure if you will ever get tired of
proving yourself wrong.
--
To know less than we don't know is the nature of most knowledge

I imagine DIG is behind this, long overdue. I don't know why we're
seeing his posts at all. Maybe some extra torture for a special case.

All I see from this piece of shit is abusive narcissism. Obviously can’t
communicate with others in a humble and humane manner. Ignore it, though
DIG should step in and end him.

[jillery]

On Wed, 06 Nov 2024 22:26:14 +0000, *Hemidactylus*

Post by *Hemidactylus*

Post by erik simpson

Post by jillery

Post by JTEM

Post by jillery
Perhaps you mean "blocked" as in nobody

I mean "Blocked from posting." I mean "Not allowed to post."
This happened. Get over it. Move on.

You first.

Post by JTEM

Post by jillery
responded to your
disinformation.

Lol! Idiots were saying things like "unprecedented," in describing
the supposed warming the media told them they were seeing. Which is
retarded, because SEVERE climate changes have occurred overnight.
Literally overnight. Super volcanic eruptions have darken the skies,
world wide, sparking a Volcanic Winter.
Google it.
We're not even as warm as the last warm period! It's colder right
now, not warmer, during the Holocene than the last interglacial...
So there was a lot of disinformation being repeated, and I was
responding to it and I was blocked.

"not allowed to post" suggests some one, as opposed to some thing,
prevented you from posting. Too bad your own cited link shows nothing
**************************
Newsgroups: talk.origins
Subject: jillery
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2024 17:11:30 -0400
Organization: Eek

Post by JTEM
https://groups.google.com/g/talk.origins/c/20oZDFrDdZk/m/AC5SFgjmjzkJ

***************************
OTOH your cited zombie thread from 2011 does show posters responding
to your disinformation. Not sure if you will ever get tired of
proving yourself wrong.
--
To know less than we don't know is the nature of most knowledge

I imagine DIG is behind this, long overdue. I don't know why we're
seeing his posts at all. Maybe some extra torture for a special case.

All I see from this piece of shit is abusive narcissism. Obviously can’t
communicate with others in a humble and humane manner. Ignore it, though
DIG should step in and end him.

As history has showed time and again, and current events continue to
prove, ignoring willful stupidity is a dangerous thing. That's how
Trump won. Even otherwise intelligent people believe his lies when
they are said often enough.

--
To know less than we don't know is the nature of most knowledge

[Kestrel Clayton]

Post by jillery
On Wed, 06 Nov 2024 22:26:14 +0000, *Hemidactylus*

Post by *Hemidactylus*

Post by erik simpson

Post by jillery

Post by JTEM

Post by jillery
Perhaps you mean "blocked" as in nobody

I mean "Blocked from posting." I mean "Not allowed to post."
This happened. Get over it. Move on.

You first.

Post by JTEM

Post by jillery
responded to your
disinformation.

Lol! Idiots were saying things like "unprecedented," in describing
the supposed warming the media told them they were seeing. Which is
retarded, because SEVERE climate changes have occurred overnight.
Literally overnight. Super volcanic eruptions have darken the skies,
world wide, sparking a Volcanic Winter.
Google it.
We're not even as warm as the last warm period! It's colder right
now, not warmer, during the Holocene than the last interglacial...
So there was a lot of disinformation being repeated, and I was
responding to it and I was blocked.

"not allowed to post" suggests some one, as opposed to some thing,
prevented you from posting. Too bad your own cited link shows nothing
**************************
Newsgroups: talk.origins
Subject: jillery
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2024 17:11:30 -0400
Organization: Eek

Post by JTEM
https://groups.google.com/g/talk.origins/c/20oZDFrDdZk/m/AC5SFgjmjzkJ

***************************
OTOH your cited zombie thread from 2011 does show posters responding
to your disinformation. Not sure if you will ever get tired of
proving yourself wrong.
--
To know less than we don't know is the nature of most knowledge

I imagine DIG is behind this, long overdue. I don't know why we're
seeing his posts at all. Maybe some extra torture for a special case.

All I see from this piece of shit is abusive narcissism. Obviously can’t
communicate with others in a humble and humane manner. Ignore it, though
DIG should step in and end him.

As history has showed time and again, and current events continue to
prove, ignoring willful stupidity is a dangerous thing. That's how
Trump won. Even otherwise intelligent people believe his lies when
they are said often enough.

Yah. The alt-right became the mainstream right in part because they knew
how to use social media to multiply their influence and give themselves
a disproportionate appearance of numbers and power.

Most folks who WEREN'T internet nazis enabled them by failing to
recognize their tactics and the intended impact. For example, "Just
ignore the trolls" is effective when the trolls are only seeking
attention, but it doesn't work when trolls are attempting to disrupt a
space, shift the political center of that space, or normalize toxic
ideas. "Ignore the trolls" is a big chunk of how open racism and
eliminationist policies became acceptable again.

The internet creationism phenomenon was, in many ways, a prototype for
the alt-right. In 1999 I wondered if maybe we all took internet nutbars
too seriously; 25 years later, I know we didn't take them seriously enough.

[*Hemidactylus*]

Post by Kestrel Clayton

Post by jillery
On Wed, 06 Nov 2024 22:26:14 +0000, *Hemidactylus*

Post by *Hemidactylus*

Post by erik simpson

Post by jillery

Post by JTEM

Post by jillery
Perhaps you mean "blocked" as in nobody

I mean "Blocked from posting." I mean "Not allowed to post."
This happened. Get over it. Move on.

You first.

Post by JTEM

Post by jillery
responded to your
disinformation.

Lol! Idiots were saying things like "unprecedented," in describing
the supposed warming the media told them they were seeing. Which is
retarded, because SEVERE climate changes have occurred overnight.
Literally overnight. Super volcanic eruptions have darken the skies,
world wide, sparking a Volcanic Winter.
Google it.
We're not even as warm as the last warm period! It's colder right
now, not warmer, during the Holocene than the last interglacial...
So there was a lot of disinformation being repeated, and I was
responding to it and I was blocked.

"not allowed to post" suggests some one, as opposed to some thing,
prevented you from posting. Too bad your own cited link shows nothing
**************************
Newsgroups: talk.origins
Subject: jillery
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2024 17:11:30 -0400
Organization: Eek

Post by JTEM
https://groups.google.com/g/talk.origins/c/20oZDFrDdZk/m/AC5SFgjmjzkJ

***************************
OTOH your cited zombie thread from 2011 does show posters responding
to your disinformation. Not sure if you will ever get tired of
proving yourself wrong.
--
To know less than we don't know is the nature of most knowledge

I imagine DIG is behind this, long overdue. I don't know why we're
seeing his posts at all. Maybe some extra torture for a special case.

All I see from this piece of shit is abusive narcissism. Obviously can’t
communicate with others in a humble and humane manner. Ignore it, though
DIG should step in and end him.

As history has showed time and again, and current events continue to
prove, ignoring willful stupidity is a dangerous thing. That's how
Trump won. Even otherwise intelligent people believe his lies when
they are said often enough.

Yah. The alt-right became the mainstream right in part because they knew
how to use social media to multiply their influence and give themselves
a disproportionate appearance of numbers and power.

JTEM uses tumblr (seriously?) and infests this group. Insignificant knuckle
dragger.

Post by Kestrel Clayton
Most folks who WEREN'T internet nazis enabled them by failing to
recognize their tactics and the intended impact. For example, "Just
ignore the trolls" is effective when the trolls are only seeking
attention, but it doesn't work when trolls are attempting to disrupt a
space, shift the political center of that space, or normalize toxic
ideas. "Ignore the trolls" is a big chunk of how open racism and
eliminationist policies became acceptable again.
The internet creationism phenomenon was, in many ways, a prototype for
the alt-right. In 1999 I wondered if maybe we all took internet nutbars
too seriously; 25 years later, I know we didn't take them seriously enough.

I seriously doubt the fate of the so-called free world has hinged on
whether we’ve engaged some local (or loco) bozo troll JTEM’s screeds on
some inconsequential newsgroup. Not really a case to be made under Kant’s
"act only according to that maxim whereby you can at the same time will
that it should become a universal law."

Steve Bannon he’s not.

[Kestrel Clayton]

Post by *Hemidactylus*

Post by Kestrel Clayton

Post by jillery
On Wed, 06 Nov 2024 22:26:14 +0000, *Hemidactylus*

Post by *Hemidactylus*

Post by erik simpson

Post by jillery

Post by JTEM

Post by jillery
Perhaps you mean "blocked" as in nobody

I mean "Blocked from posting." I mean "Not allowed to post."
This happened. Get over it. Move on.

You first.

Post by JTEM

Post by jillery
responded to your
disinformation.

Lol! Idiots were saying things like "unprecedented," in describing
the supposed warming the media told them they were seeing. Which is
retarded, because SEVERE climate changes have occurred overnight.
Literally overnight. Super volcanic eruptions have darken the skies,
world wide, sparking a Volcanic Winter.
Google it.
We're not even as warm as the last warm period! It's colder right
now, not warmer, during the Holocene than the last interglacial...
So there was a lot of disinformation being repeated, and I was
responding to it and I was blocked.

"not allowed to post" suggests some one, as opposed to some thing,
prevented you from posting. Too bad your own cited link shows nothing
**************************
Newsgroups: talk.origins
Subject: jillery
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2024 17:11:30 -0400
Organization: Eek

Post by JTEM
https://groups.google.com/g/talk.origins/c/20oZDFrDdZk/m/AC5SFgjmjzkJ

***************************
OTOH your cited zombie thread from 2011 does show posters responding
to your disinformation. Not sure if you will ever get tired of
proving yourself wrong.
--
To know less than we don't know is the nature of most knowledge

I imagine DIG is behind this, long overdue. I don't know why we're
seeing his posts at all. Maybe some extra torture for a special case.

All I see from this piece of shit is abusive narcissism. Obviously can’t
communicate with others in a humble and humane manner. Ignore it, though
DIG should step in and end him.

As history has showed time and again, and current events continue to
prove, ignoring willful stupidity is a dangerous thing. That's how
Trump won. Even otherwise intelligent people believe his lies when
they are said often enough.

Yah. The alt-right became the mainstream right in part because they knew
how to use social media to multiply their influence and give themselves
a disproportionate appearance of numbers and power.

JTEM uses tumblr (seriously?) and infests this group. Insignificant knuckle
dragger.

Post by Kestrel Clayton
Most folks who WEREN'T internet nazis enabled them by failing to
recognize their tactics and the intended impact. For example, "Just
ignore the trolls" is effective when the trolls are only seeking
attention, but it doesn't work when trolls are attempting to disrupt a
space, shift the political center of that space, or normalize toxic
ideas. "Ignore the trolls" is a big chunk of how open racism and
eliminationist policies became acceptable again.
The internet creationism phenomenon was, in many ways, a prototype for
the alt-right. In 1999 I wondered if maybe we all took internet nutbars
too seriously; 25 years later, I know we didn't take them seriously enough.

I seriously doubt the fate of the so-called free world has hinged on
whether we’ve engaged some local (or loco) bozo troll JTEM’s screeds on
some inconsequential newsgroup. Not really a case to be made under Kant’s
"act only according to that maxim whereby you can at the same time will
that it should become a universal law."
Steve Bannon he’s not.

Oh yeah, he's insignificant. But it does make me think of the broader
problem of giving kooks, goons, fools, and tools too much floor space
online.

[*Hemidactylus*]

Post by Kestrel Clayton

Post by *Hemidactylus*

Post by Kestrel Clayton

Post by jillery
On Wed, 06 Nov 2024 22:26:14 +0000, *Hemidactylus*

Post by *Hemidactylus*

Post by erik simpson

Post by jillery

Post by JTEM

Post by jillery
Perhaps you mean "blocked" as in nobody

I mean "Blocked from posting." I mean "Not allowed to post."
This happened. Get over it. Move on.

You first.

Post by JTEM

Post by jillery
responded to your
disinformation.

Lol! Idiots were saying things like "unprecedented," in describing
the supposed warming the media told them they were seeing. Which is
retarded, because SEVERE climate changes have occurred overnight.
Literally overnight. Super volcanic eruptions have darken the skies,
world wide, sparking a Volcanic Winter.
Google it.
We're not even as warm as the last warm period! It's colder right
now, not warmer, during the Holocene than the last interglacial...
So there was a lot of disinformation being repeated, and I was
responding to it and I was blocked.

"not allowed to post" suggests some one, as opposed to some thing,
prevented you from posting. Too bad your own cited link shows nothing
**************************
Newsgroups: talk.origins
Subject: jillery
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2024 17:11:30 -0400
Organization: Eek

Post by JTEM
https://groups.google.com/g/talk.origins/c/20oZDFrDdZk/m/AC5SFgjmjzkJ

***************************
OTOH your cited zombie thread from 2011 does show posters responding
to your disinformation. Not sure if you will ever get tired of
proving yourself wrong.
--
To know less than we don't know is the nature of most knowledge

I imagine DIG is behind this, long overdue. I don't know why we're
seeing his posts at all. Maybe some extra torture for a special case.

All I see from this piece of shit is abusive narcissism. Obviously can’t
communicate with others in a humble and humane manner. Ignore it, though
DIG should step in and end him.

As history has showed time and again, and current events continue to
prove, ignoring willful stupidity is a dangerous thing. That's how
Trump won. Even otherwise intelligent people believe his lies when
they are said often enough.

Yah. The alt-right became the mainstream right in part because they knew
how to use social media to multiply their influence and give themselves
a disproportionate appearance of numbers and power.

JTEM uses tumblr (seriously?) and infests this group. Insignificant knuckle
dragger.

Post by Kestrel Clayton
Most folks who WEREN'T internet nazis enabled them by failing to
recognize their tactics and the intended impact. For example, "Just
ignore the trolls" is effective when the trolls are only seeking
attention, but it doesn't work when trolls are attempting to disrupt a
space, shift the political center of that space, or normalize toxic
ideas. "Ignore the trolls" is a big chunk of how open racism and
eliminationist policies became acceptable again.
The internet creationism phenomenon was, in many ways, a prototype for
the alt-right. In 1999 I wondered if maybe we all took internet nutbars
too seriously; 25 years later, I know we didn't take them seriously enough.

I seriously doubt the fate of the so-called free world has hinged on
whether we’ve engaged some local (or loco) bozo troll JTEM’s screeds on
some inconsequential newsgroup. Not really a case to be made under Kant’s
"act only according to that maxim whereby you can at the same time will
that it should become a universal law."
Steve Bannon he’s not.

Oh yeah, he's insignificant. But it does make me think of the broader
problem of giving kooks, goons, fools, and tools too much floor space
online.

That’s largely outside your control. How much time do you want to waste on
them or how much space inside your head will you allow them to squat in?
Those considerations are in your control.

[JTEM]

Post by *Hemidactylus*
That’s largely outside your control. How much time do you want to waste on

What was the most convincing evidence, for you, that Neanderthals
never interbred with so called moderns? You know, back before
the media ordered you to believe that they did.

What "Evidence" convinced you that Naledi was 2+ million years
old, back in 2015?

[JTEM]

Post by JTEM

Post by *Hemidactylus*
That’s largely outside your control. How much time do you want to waste on

What was the most convincing evidence, for you, that Neanderthals
never interbred with so called moderns? You know, back before
the media ordered you to believe that they did.
What "Evidence" convinced you that Naledi was 2+ million years
old, back in 2015?

You could really surprise me here and be honest. Or you can
trot out your massive disorder, insist that you were always
on JTEM's side on these issues, and that's why you whine &
fuss like a little bitch about him.

Ain't holding my breath, sugar lumps.

[jillery]

On Sat, 09 Nov 2024 00:32:06 +0000, *Hemidactylus*

Post by *Hemidactylus*

Post by Kestrel Clayton

Post by *Hemidactylus*

Post by Kestrel Clayton

Post by jillery
On Wed, 06 Nov 2024 22:26:14 +0000, *Hemidactylus*

Post by *Hemidactylus*

Post by erik simpson

Post by jillery

Post by JTEM

Post by jillery
Perhaps you mean "blocked" as in nobody

I mean "Blocked from posting." I mean "Not allowed to post."
This happened. Get over it. Move on.

You first.

Post by JTEM

Post by jillery
responded to your
disinformation.

Lol! Idiots were saying things like "unprecedented," in describing
the supposed warming the media told them they were seeing. Which is
retarded, because SEVERE climate changes have occurred overnight.
Literally overnight. Super volcanic eruptions have darken the skies,
world wide, sparking a Volcanic Winter.
Google it.
We're not even as warm as the last warm period! It's colder right
now, not warmer, during the Holocene than the last interglacial...
So there was a lot of disinformation being repeated, and I was
responding to it and I was blocked.

"not allowed to post" suggests some one, as opposed to some thing,
prevented you from posting. Too bad your own cited link shows nothing
**************************
Newsgroups: talk.origins
Subject: jillery
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2024 17:11:30 -0400
Organization: Eek

Post by JTEM
https://groups.google.com/g/talk.origins/c/20oZDFrDdZk/m/AC5SFgjmjzkJ

***************************
OTOH your cited zombie thread from 2011 does show posters responding
to your disinformation. Not sure if you will ever get tired of
proving yourself wrong.
--
To know less than we don't know is the nature of most knowledge

I imagine DIG is behind this, long overdue. I don't know why we're
seeing his posts at all. Maybe some extra torture for a special case.

All I see from this piece of shit is abusive narcissism. Obviously can’t
communicate with others in a humble and humane manner. Ignore it, though
DIG should step in and end him.

As history has showed time and again, and current events continue to
prove, ignoring willful stupidity is a dangerous thing. That's how
Trump won. Even otherwise intelligent people believe his lies when
they are said often enough.

Yah. The alt-right became the mainstream right in part because they knew
how to use social media to multiply their influence and give themselves
a disproportionate appearance of numbers and power.

JTEM uses tumblr (seriously?) and infests this group. Insignificant knuckle
dragger.

Post by Kestrel Clayton
Most folks who WEREN'T internet nazis enabled them by failing to
recognize their tactics and the intended impact. For example, "Just
ignore the trolls" is effective when the trolls are only seeking
attention, but it doesn't work when trolls are attempting to disrupt a
space, shift the political center of that space, or normalize toxic
ideas. "Ignore the trolls" is a big chunk of how open racism and
eliminationist policies became acceptable again.
The internet creationism phenomenon was, in many ways, a prototype for
the alt-right. In 1999 I wondered if maybe we all took internet nutbars
too seriously; 25 years later, I know we didn't take them seriously enough.

I seriously doubt the fate of the so-called free world has hinged on
whether we’ve engaged some local (or loco) bozo troll JTEM’s screeds on
some inconsequential newsgroup. Not really a case to be made under Kant’s
"act only according to that maxim whereby you can at the same time will
that it should become a universal law."
Steve Bannon he’s not.

Oh yeah, he's insignificant. But it does make me think of the broader
problem of giving kooks, goons, fools, and tools too much floor space
online.

That’s largely outside your control. How much time do you want to waste on
them or how much space inside your head will you allow them to squat in?
Those considerations are in your control.

You also waste time and space on others, as you do above. The only
difference is the "them" you choose to let squat in your head; same
for same. Follow your own advice for a change.

--
To know less than we don't know is the nature of most knowledge

[JTEM]

Post by jillery
You also waste time and space on others, as you do above. The only
difference is the "them" you choose to let squat in your head; same
for same. Follow your own advice for a change.

Wow. THIS from the idiot who can't sit on his hands!

You made a fool out of yourself BECAUSE you insisted that
I wasn't censored, instead of just accepting what I was
telling you.

"Well you were so right so many times, how could I just
assume you weren't lying now?"

You're ruled by your emotions. Gives it away, every time.
You're ruled by your emotions. Your feelings are your
"Truth." They're your "Facts." Then you rationalize them
like every other little person on earth. Like any random
YEC.

People like you are why science was invented in the first
place, and why it so often fails.

[jillery]

Post by JTEM
People like you are why science was invented in the first
place, and why it so often fails.

Science is about NOT just accepting what what you say, and IS about
proving your claims, something you repeatedly refuse to even try to
do.

[JTEM]

Post by jillery
Science is about NOT just accepting what what you say

It is about accepting reality, facts, even when you don't
like the only person repeating them.

You are a child ruled by her emotions!

[JTEM]

Post by Kestrel Clayton
Oh yeah, he's insignificant. But it does make me think of the broader
problem of giving kooks,

You're a nym shifting personality disorder preaching to
itself. I'm the guy who called "Bullshit" on Naledi
while you couldn't suck up "news" quick enough.

I battled this group -- this entire group, not a single
person on my side -- in favor of Neanderthals interbreeding
with so called moderns. I pointed out the glaring obvious
problems with the "evidence" against it.

Don't mistaken popularity with science. Or, more
accurately, STOP mistaking popularity for science.

There's nobody "Famous" in science for being the very last
person to acknowledge that Piltdown Man was a hoax.

Nobody remembers them.

[JTEM]

Post by Kestrel Clayton
Yah. The alt-right became the mainstream right in part because they knew
how to use social media to multiply

Omg, you are such an idiot...

This isn't "The Right." Trump won THE MAJORITY. He beat
Harris by some 5 million votes, and he did so because
his opposition is batting at windmills, a lot like you're
doing right now, instead of listening to the voters and
addressing their concerns.

There's no magic here. There's no magic fairy dust or
mustache twirling villains. KamelToe was traveling the
nation, promising to address issues that NOBODY in the
Democratic party is addressing!

There. That's it.

One side said: "You know all those illegals you're
worried about? The ones bankrupting your city? I'm
going to do something about it."

The other side said: "RACIST! YOU'RE A RACIST NAZI
MISOGYNIST WHITE GARBAGE STUPID HATE FILLED IDIOT!"

We all know which side lost.

[*Hemidactylus*]

Post by jillery
On Wed, 06 Nov 2024 22:26:14 +0000, *Hemidactylus*

Post by *Hemidactylus*

Post by erik simpson

Post by jillery

Post by JTEM

Post by jillery
Perhaps you mean "blocked" as in nobody

I mean "Blocked from posting." I mean "Not allowed to post."
This happened. Get over it. Move on.

You first.

Post by JTEM

Post by jillery
responded to your
disinformation.

Lol! Idiots were saying things like "unprecedented," in describing
the supposed warming the media told them they were seeing. Which is
retarded, because SEVERE climate changes have occurred overnight.
Literally overnight. Super volcanic eruptions have darken the skies,
world wide, sparking a Volcanic Winter.
Google it.
We're not even as warm as the last warm period! It's colder right
now, not warmer, during the Holocene than the last interglacial...
So there was a lot of disinformation being repeated, and I was
responding to it and I was blocked.

"not allowed to post" suggests some one, as opposed to some thing,
prevented you from posting. Too bad your own cited link shows nothing
**************************
Newsgroups: talk.origins
Subject: jillery
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2024 17:11:30 -0400
Organization: Eek

Post by JTEM
https://groups.google.com/g/talk.origins/c/20oZDFrDdZk/m/AC5SFgjmjzkJ

***************************
OTOH your cited zombie thread from 2011 does show posters responding
to your disinformation. Not sure if you will ever get tired of
proving yourself wrong.
--
To know less than we don't know is the nature of most knowledge

I imagine DIG is behind this, long overdue. I don't know why we're
seeing his posts at all. Maybe some extra torture for a special case.

All I see from this piece of shit is abusive narcissism. Obviously can’t
communicate with others in a humble and humane manner. Ignore it, though
DIG should step in and end him.

As history has showed time and again, and current events continue to
prove, ignoring willful stupidity is a dangerous thing. That's how
Trump won. Even otherwise intelligent people believe his lies when
they are said often enough.

JTEM acting as belligerent insult troll here probably had zero bearing on
Trump’s election. But you do you.

[JTEM]

Post by *Hemidactylus*
JTEM acting as belligerent insult troll

You realize you're trolling with insults. Right?

Or am I giving you too much credit? Again.

JTEM is a liberal Democrat who got Bill Clinton's
autograph backstage at the 2004 Democratic National
Convention (the DNCC), saw which way the wind was
blowing, screamed blood murder over it and has been
proven 100% right. You, on the other hand, and are
raging jackass.

::Discuss::

[jillery]

On Fri, 08 Nov 2024 23:34:24 +0000, *Hemidactylus*

Post by *Hemidactylus*

Post by jillery
On Wed, 06 Nov 2024 22:26:14 +0000, *Hemidactylus*

Post by *Hemidactylus*

Post by erik simpson

Post by jillery

Post by JTEM

Post by jillery
Perhaps you mean "blocked" as in nobody

I mean "Blocked from posting." I mean "Not allowed to post."
This happened. Get over it. Move on.

You first.

Post by JTEM

Post by jillery
responded to your
disinformation.

Lol! Idiots were saying things like "unprecedented," in describing
the supposed warming the media told them they were seeing. Which is
retarded, because SEVERE climate changes have occurred overnight.
Literally overnight. Super volcanic eruptions have darken the skies,
world wide, sparking a Volcanic Winter.
Google it.
We're not even as warm as the last warm period! It's colder right
now, not warmer, during the Holocene than the last interglacial...
So there was a lot of disinformation being repeated, and I was
responding to it and I was blocked.

"not allowed to post" suggests some one, as opposed to some thing,
prevented you from posting. Too bad your own cited link shows nothing
**************************
Newsgroups: talk.origins
Subject: jillery
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2024 17:11:30 -0400
Organization: Eek

Post by JTEM
https://groups.google.com/g/talk.origins/c/20oZDFrDdZk/m/AC5SFgjmjzkJ

***************************
OTOH your cited zombie thread from 2011 does show posters responding
to your disinformation. Not sure if you will ever get tired of
proving yourself wrong.
--
To know less than we don't know is the nature of most knowledge

I imagine DIG is behind this, long overdue. I don't know why we're
seeing his posts at all. Maybe some extra torture for a special case.

All I see from this piece of shit is abusive narcissism. Obviously can’t
communicate with others in a humble and humane manner. Ignore it, though
DIG should step in and end him.

As history has showed time and again, and current events continue to
prove, ignoring willful stupidity is a dangerous thing. That's how
Trump won. Even otherwise intelligent people believe his lies when
they are said often enough.

JTEM acting as belligerent insult troll here probably had zero bearing on
Trump’s election. But you do you.

And you do you. JTEM is an instantiation of the type you say should
be ignored, which is the point you ignore.

--
To know less than we don't know is the nature of most knowledge

[Kerr-Mudd, John]

On Sun, 10 Nov 2024 08:57:35 -0500

Post by jillery
On Fri, 08 Nov 2024 23:34:24 +0000, *Hemidactylus*

Post by *Hemidactylus*

Post by jillery
On Wed, 06 Nov 2024 22:26:14 +0000, *Hemidactylus*

Post by *Hemidactylus*

Post by jillery

Post by JTEM

Post by jillery
Perhaps you mean "blocked" as in nobody

I mean "Blocked from posting." I mean "Not allowed to post."
This happened. Get over it. Move on.

You first.

[]

Post by jillery

Post by *Hemidactylus*

Post by jillery

Post by *Hemidactylus*
All I see from this piece of shit is abusive narcissism. Obviously can’t
communicate with others in a humble and humane manner. Ignore it, though
DIG should step in and end him.

As history has showed time and again, and current events continue to
prove, ignoring willful stupidity is a dangerous thing. That's how
Trump won. Even otherwise intelligent people believe his lies when
they are said often enough.

JTEM acting as belligerent insult troll here probably had zero bearing on
Trump’s election. But you do you.

And you do you. JTEM is an instantiation of the type you say should
be ignored, which is the point you ignore.
--

Sig sep is missing the trailing space^

Post by jillery
To know less than we don't know is the nature of most knowledge

Ignore the ignorant!

We're in a post-truth world now.

[jillery]

On Mon, 11 Nov 2024 10:55:20 +0000, "Kerr-Mudd, John"

Post by Kerr-Mudd, John
Ignore the ignorant!
We're in a post-truth world now.

"Ignorant" is a default state.
"Willfully stupid" is a matter of choice.
There's a difference.

[Kerr-Mudd, John]

On Mon, 11 Nov 2024 06:41:40 -0500

Post by jillery
On Mon, 11 Nov 2024 10:55:20 +0000, "Kerr-Mudd, John"

Post by Kerr-Mudd, John
Ignore the ignorant!
We're in a post-truth world now.

"Ignorant" is a default state.
"Willfully stupid" is a matter of choice.
There's a difference.

Is it people you don't agree with, or those who are "so blind they will not see"?

And what is the best approach to those who are not in alignment?

I ask only as one of a minority, seems the world can easily be accommodated in a plummeting handbasket. The way forward is self aggrandisement whilst ignoring the planet - hey that's for later!

</gloom>

[jillery]

On Mon, 11 Nov 2024 15:05:12 +0000, "Kerr-Mudd, John"

Post by Kerr-Mudd, John
On Mon, 11 Nov 2024 06:41:40 -0500

Post by jillery
On Mon, 11 Nov 2024 10:55:20 +0000, "Kerr-Mudd, John"

Post by Kerr-Mudd, John
Ignore the ignorant!
We're in a post-truth world now.

"Ignorant" is a default state.
"Willfully stupid" is a matter of choice.
There's a difference.

Is it people you don't agree with, or those who are "so blind they will not see"?
And what is the best approach to those who are not in alignment?
I ask only as one of a minority, seems the world can easily be accommodated in a plummeting handbasket. The way forward is self aggrandisement whilst ignoring the planet - hey that's for later!
</gloom>

You're entitled to your own opinions.
You're not entitled to your own facts.
Do you agree to that?

[JTEM]

Post by jillery
You're entitled to your own opinions.
You're not entitled to your own facts.

Problem is, even if you had the opportunity to fuck with
a fact you'd just a condom... nimrod.

There's no love of discovery in the collective. You're
hear to bounce off of creationism trolling, to convince
yourself of how intelligent you are by displaying your
terror at arguing against anything but the dumbest
comment.

[JTEM]

Post by jillery
On Mon, 11 Nov 2024 10:55:20 +0000, "Kerr-Mudd, John"

Post by Kerr-Mudd, John
Ignore the ignorant!
We're in a post-truth world now.

"Ignorant" is a default state.
"Willfully stupid" is a matter of choice.
There's a difference.

You're halfway there, which is like a bridge spanning HALFWAY
across a river...

Your job, your duty is to you. Your responsibility is to examine
yourself, expose your ignorance, realize where and when you have
been fooled.... gaslighted.

Do it. Do it before it's too late because the cost of not doing
it is going to be sky high!

[*Hemidactylus*]

Post by Kerr-Mudd, John
On Sun, 10 Nov 2024 08:57:35 -0500

[snip]

Post by Kerr-Mudd, John

Post by jillery
--

Sig sep is missing the trailing space^

Post by jillery
To know less than we don't know is the nature of most knowledge

Ignore the ignorant!
We're in a post-truth world now.

There’s always Socratic irony, which is a feigned epistemic state. Phil
Hartman as Unfrozen Caveman Lawyer.

[*Hemidactylus*]

Post by *Hemidactylus*

Post by Kerr-Mudd, John
On Sun, 10 Nov 2024 08:57:35 -0500

[snip]

Post by Kerr-Mudd, John

Post by jillery
--

Sig sep is missing the trailing space^

Post by jillery
To know less than we don't know is the nature of most knowledge

Ignore the ignorant!
We're in a post-truth world now.

There’s always Socratic irony, which is a feigned epistemic state. Phil
Hartman as Unfrozen Caveman Lawyer.

Here is Erik Simpson making that…ummm…case:

https://eriksimpson.sites.grinnell.edu/Connections/Poetry/Terms/tropes4.html

Well perhaps not our Erik Simpson.

“Socratic irony involves downplaying the speaker's authority to bring an
opponent into an argument and then, if all goes well, to reveal the greater
ignorance of the opponent. The term comes from Plato's representations of
Socrates debating a series of questioners; Socrates always begins by
emphasizing his own ignorance, but he goes on to show the problems in the
knowledge the questioner thought he possessed. A modern use of Socratic
irony is that of Phil Hartman's Cirroc, the Unfrozen Caveman Lawyer on
Saturday Night Live. To win his cases, Cirroc downplays his knowledge of
modern ways:


Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, I'm just
a caveman. I fell on some ice and later
got thawed out by some of your scientists.
Your world frightens and confuses me!
Sometimes the honking horns of your
traffic make me want to get out of my
BMW and run off into the hills, or
wherever. Sometimes when I get a message
on my fax machine, I wonder: "Did
little demons get inside and type it?"
I don't know! My primitive mind
can't grasp these concepts. But there
is one thing I do know - when a man
like my client slips and falls
on a sidewalk in front of a public
library, then he is entitled to no
less than two million in compensatory
damages, and two million in punitive
damages. Thank you.

Cirroc wins his cases by becoming a comic Socrates.”

I’ve also heard Columbo made as an example. I just love Hartman more.

[JTEM]

Post by jillery
As history has showed time and again, and current events continue to
prove, ignoring willful stupidity is a dangerous thing.

Wow! Parading your mental illness, like you ALWAYS do!

Nothing I said in that thread was inaccurate. Nothing.

If anything I under-argued the case, as even if the
Gwobull Warbling narrative were close to true, it would
be completely pointless! The claim is that CO2 remains
in the atmosphere for 300 to a thousand years! With
human population growth since when the myth has Gwobull
Warbling starting, JUST FROM BREATHING humans easily
add more than twice as much CO2 to the atmosphere! Reduce
industry emissions to ZERO, reduce agricultural emissions
to ZERO and literally NOTHING changes! CO2 will continue
to rise for at least a century.

[jillery]

On Wed, 6 Nov 2024 13:15:42 -0800, erik simpson

Post by erik simpson

Post by jillery

Post by JTEM

Post by jillery
Perhaps you mean "blocked" as in nobody

I mean "Blocked from posting." I mean "Not allowed to post."
This happened. Get over it. Move on.

You first.

Post by JTEM

Post by jillery
responded to your
disinformation.

Lol! Idiots were saying things like "unprecedented," in describing
the supposed warming the media told them they were seeing. Which is
retarded, because SEVERE climate changes have occurred overnight.
Literally overnight. Super volcanic eruptions have darken the skies,
world wide, sparking a Volcanic Winter.
Google it.
We're not even as warm as the last warm period! It's colder right
now, not warmer, during the Holocene than the last interglacial...
So there was a lot of disinformation being repeated, and I was
responding to it and I was blocked.

"not allowed to post" suggests some one, as opposed to some thing,
prevented you from posting. Too bad your own cited link shows nothing
**************************
Newsgroups: talk.origins
Subject: jillery
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2024 17:11:30 -0400
Organization: Eek

Post by JTEM
https://groups.google.com/g/talk.origins/c/20oZDFrDdZk/m/AC5SFgjmjzkJ

***************************
OTOH your cited zombie thread from 2011 does show posters responding
to your disinformation. Not sure if you will ever get tired of
proving yourself wrong.
--
To know less than we don't know is the nature of most knowledge

I imagine DIG is behind this, long overdue. I don't know why we're
seeing his posts at all. Maybe some extra torture for a special case.

I don't know to what your "this" refers, but it doesn't refer to
anything from JTEM's link posted above.

--
To know less than we don't know is the nature of most knowledge

[Kestrel Clayton]

Post by jillery

Post by JTEM

Post by RonO
It could be thunderbird or eternal september.

I was blocked some years ago for disputing the Gwobull Warbling
gospels.

Not on T.O., for better or worse.

Gosh. After all these years, the anti-science dingdongs are still
claiming the automod somehow identifies and deletes their best and most
devastating posts, while only letting the risible nonsense through. It's
nice to know some things never change.

[jillery]

On Sun, 13 Oct 2024 14:23:42 -0400, Kestrel Clayton

Post by Kestrel Clayton

Post by jillery

Post by JTEM

Post by RonO
It could be thunderbird or eternal september.

I was blocked some years ago for disputing the Gwobull Warbling
gospels.

Not on T.O., for better or worse.

Gosh. After all these years, the anti-science dingdongs are still
claiming the automod somehow identifies and deletes their best and most
devastating posts, while only letting the risible nonsense through. It's
nice to know some things never change.
--
[The address listed is a spam trap. To reply, take off every zig.]
Kestrel Clayton
"Every normal woman must be tempted, at times, to stoke the fire,
host the black mass, and begin eating hearts." — Rose Bailey

Wow, that's a really dark quote. Who's Rose Bailey?

--
To know less than we don't know is the nature of most knowledge

[Kestrel Clayton]

Post by jillery
On Sun, 13 Oct 2024 14:23:42 -0400, Kestrel Clayton

Post by Kestrel Clayton

Post by jillery

Post by JTEM

Post by RonO
It could be thunderbird or eternal september.

I was blocked some years ago for disputing the Gwobull Warbling
gospels.

Not on T.O., for better or worse.

Gosh. After all these years, the anti-science dingdongs are still
claiming the automod somehow identifies and deletes their best and most
devastating posts, while only letting the risible nonsense through. It's
nice to know some things never change.
--
[The address listed is a spam trap. To reply, take off every zig.]
Kestrel Clayton
"Every normal woman must be tempted, at times, to stoke the fire,
host the black mass, and begin eating hearts." — Rose Bailey

Wow, that's a really dark quote. Who's Rose Bailey?

Horror and weird tale writer, queer as in hey-you, self described
fantasy heartbreaker. Really cool girl and a dear friend.

[Bob Casanova]

On Fri, 18 Oct 2024 10:28:07 -0400, the following appeared
in talk.origins, posted by Kestrel Clayton

Post by Kestrel Clayton

Post by jillery
On Sun, 13 Oct 2024 14:23:42 -0400, Kestrel Clayton

Post by Kestrel Clayton

Post by jillery

Post by JTEM

Post by RonO
It could be thunderbird or eternal september.

I was blocked some years ago for disputing the Gwobull Warbling
gospels.

Not on T.O., for better or worse.

Gosh. After all these years, the anti-science dingdongs are still
claiming the automod somehow identifies and deletes their best and most
devastating posts, while only letting the risible nonsense through. It's
nice to know some things never change.
--
[The address listed is a spam trap. To reply, take off every zig.]
Kestrel Clayton
"Every normal woman must be tempted, at times, to stoke the fire,
host the black mass, and begin eating hearts." — Rose Bailey

Wow, that's a really dark quote. Who's Rose Bailey?

Horror and weird tale writer, queer as in hey-you, self described
fantasy heartbreaker. Really cool girl and a dear friend.

It sounds like a takeoff on Heinlein's comment:
(paraphrased):

"Every man must occasionally want to spit on his hands,
hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats."

I believe that dates from the '70s. I suppose it's possible
that yours came first.

[Kestrel Clayton]

Post by Bob Casanova
On Fri, 18 Oct 2024 10:28:07 -0400, the following appeared
in talk.origins, posted by Kestrel Clayton

Post by Kestrel Clayton

Post by jillery
On Sun, 13 Oct 2024 14:23:42 -0400, Kestrel Clayton

Post by Kestrel Clayton

Post by jillery

Post by JTEM

Post by RonO
It could be thunderbird or eternal september.

I was blocked some years ago for disputing the Gwobull Warbling
gospels.

Not on T.O., for better or worse.

Gosh. After all these years, the anti-science dingdongs are still
claiming the automod somehow identifies and deletes their best and most
devastating posts, while only letting the risible nonsense through. It's
nice to know some things never change.
--
[The address listed is a spam trap. To reply, take off every zig.]
Kestrel Clayton
"Every normal woman must be tempted, at times, to stoke the fire,
host the black mass, and begin eating hearts." — Rose Bailey

Wow, that's a really dark quote. Who's Rose Bailey?

Horror and weird tale writer, queer as in hey-you, self described
fantasy heartbreaker. Really cool girl and a dear friend.

"Every man must occasionally want to spit on his hands,
hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats."
I believe that dates from the '70s. I suppose it's possible
that yours came first.

Not Heinlein, but Mencken, in 1917. But otherwise, yes, that is exactly
what it is.

[Bob Casanova]

On Sat, 19 Oct 2024 19:30:30 -0400, the following appeared
in talk.origins, posted by Kestrel Clayton

Post by Kestrel Clayton

Post by Bob Casanova
On Fri, 18 Oct 2024 10:28:07 -0400, the following appeared
in talk.origins, posted by Kestrel Clayton

Post by Kestrel Clayton

Post by jillery
On Sun, 13 Oct 2024 14:23:42 -0400, Kestrel Clayton

Post by Kestrel Clayton

Post by jillery

Post by JTEM

Post by RonO
It could be thunderbird or eternal september.

I was blocked some years ago for disputing the Gwobull Warbling
gospels.

Not on T.O., for better or worse.

Gosh. After all these years, the anti-science dingdongs are still
claiming the automod somehow identifies and deletes their best and most
devastating posts, while only letting the risible nonsense through. It's
nice to know some things never change.
--
[The address listed is a spam trap. To reply, take off every zig.]
Kestrel Clayton
"Every normal woman must be tempted, at times, to stoke the fire,
host the black mass, and begin eating hearts." — Rose Bailey

Wow, that's a really dark quote. Who's Rose Bailey?

Horror and weird tale writer, queer as in hey-you, self described
fantasy heartbreaker. Really cool girl and a dear friend.

"Every man must occasionally want to spit on his hands,
hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats."
I believe that dates from the '70s. I suppose it's possible
that yours came first.

Not Heinlein, but Mencken, in 1917. But otherwise, yes, that is exactly
what it is.

Brain fart; you are of course correct.

[*Hemidactylus*]

Post by Kestrel Clayton

Post by jillery

Post by JTEM

Post by RonO
It could be thunderbird or eternal september.

I was blocked some years ago for disputing the Gwobull Warbling
gospels.

Not on T.O., for better or worse.

Gosh. After all these years, the anti-science dingdongs are still
claiming the automod somehow identifies and deletes their best and most
devastating posts, while only letting the risible nonsense through. It's
nice to know some things never change.

I had posted a reply to you on the “Trump claims migrants have bad genes”
thread about how Project 2025/Agenda 47 helped me change my mind in
addition to Jan 6th about whether MAGA is actually fascism. I think you had
said you made three attempts to post on that thread. So something is kinda
wonky.

[Kestrel Clayton]

Post by *Hemidactylus*

Post by Kestrel Clayton

Post by jillery

Post by JTEM

Post by RonO
It could be thunderbird or eternal september.

I was blocked some years ago for disputing the Gwobull Warbling
gospels.

Not on T.O., for better or worse.

Gosh. After all these years, the anti-science dingdongs are still
claiming the automod somehow identifies and deletes their best and most
devastating posts, while only letting the risible nonsense through. It's
nice to know some things never change.

I had posted a reply to you on the “Trump claims migrants have bad genes”
thread about how Project 2025/Agenda 47 helped me change my mind in
addition to Jan 6th about whether MAGA is actually fascism. I think you had
said you made three attempts to post on that thread. So something is kinda
wonky.

Was wonky. Should be fixed now, I believe.

Post by *Hemidactylus*
Repost from Misc.legal.moderated. Previous posts in the thread indicated that there was some issue with how eternal september was handling posts to moderated groups. Something about resetting the relays. TO has a sort of moderation. Is eternal september having issues intearcting with the TO server?
Hello friends.
Somehow DNS within Postfix got wedged on
mod-relay-1.kamens.us for several days. I didn't realize this
was happening because my system monitors didn't detect the
issue. I found out about it this morning when Postfix somehow
got unwedged and I got several days worth of delayed logwatch
emails.
I will investigate what happened and try to figure out how to
monitor for this moving forward so it will be detected more
quickly if it happens again.
In any case things should be working fine now.

Hope that helps!

[JTEM]

Post by *Hemidactylus*
I had posted a reply to you on the “Trump claims migrants have bad genes”
thread about how Project 2025/Agenda 47 helped me change my mind in
addition to Jan 6th about whether MAGA is actually fascism. I think you had
said you made three attempts to post on that thread. So something is kinda
wonky.

Lol! You're retarded. I'm a liberal Democrat. I spent all of 2016
battling Bernie Bots and reich wingers posing as Bernie Bots as
they savaged Hillary, even long after she secured the nomination. I
fought FOR the preservation of Roe v Wade and I lost and, yes, I
have been amazingly bitter about it ever since, ESPECIALLY after
having to listen to those exact same LeftTards who defeated Hillary
screech about the fruits of their labor: Trump.

That's me, and KamelToe Harris is a goddamn retard,

She's the most disingenuous candidate for public office that I have
encountered, and easily the dumbest. The policies of this
administration, her administration, are a disgrace. All our largest
cities, and most of the smaller ones, are over burdened with illegal
aliens. Resources are strained to the breaking point. Drive around,
look for any old (or not so old) hotel or motel with the signs
removed or covered, yet clearly occupied: Free illegal alien housing!

WE'RE IN A FRIGGING HOUSING CRISIS! Americans can't afford to rent
much less buy and our states & cities keep taking more & more resources
AWAY from citizens to pay for the cost of illegals.

And their only solution? Quite simple: "DON'T CALL THEM ILLEGAL!"

BUT THEY ARE!

The ones who didn't cross the border illegally are fraudulent
asylum claimants!

Look. Trump is the biggest asshole to walk this earth. But he's gone
in four years, And I'm willing to put up with four years of a raging
asshole if it means sane immigration policies, prioritizing our
own people, our cities & towns ahead of illegal aliens, peace instead
for FOREVER WAR all over the world...

Yeah, call be old fashioned but I honestly see value in NOT instigating
nuclear war with Russia... I think that might make a great foreign
policy: Don't poke the bear until it we "Win" ourselves WWIII.

And what about the embarrassment of the middle east? Yes I support
Israel but I support the U.S. and do NOT support anyone associated
with our current government. Just because I support Israel does NOT
mean I support that arrogant son of a bitch in power over there.

...love how Jihad Joe Biden keeps drawing lines in the sand, only
for Net 'en DooDoo to piss on them. Like how Joe told him to back off,
consider himself lucky, when Iran retaliated after Doodoo bombed
their embassy... only for the cunt to attack Iran again... twice.

"That's okay," Israel's present government says. "We're still fighting
in Gaza, Iran is 44x bigger but we'll just sucker American boys into
fighting & dying for our arrogance!"


Listen. This is important: Israel STILL hasn't won in Gaza. And Joe
has lavished AT LEAST $33 billion on them to fight it. Israel is
never going to fight Iran. The plan is for Americans to do the fighting
for Net 'en DooDoo. And Joe has yet to give the douche a spanking for
that betrayal.


So fuck Joe, fuck KamelToe and in four years Trump is gone and you
can go back to sucking the dick of the mainstream media, telling
yourself that it makes you "Informed" and "Independent minded."

Tootles.

[JTEM]

Post by David Greig
I didn't change anything. I mean I patched beagle and updated packages, but
i didn't change the filters.

Something clearly changed.