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new rules on testing the supernatural
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Burkhard
2024-05-18 09:10:28 UTC
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second attempt, 1. one was snatched up by demons and/or angels before reaching the server:

New rules out on how to determine miracles, with Vatican approval
https://wherepeteris.com/new-vatican-rules-for-miracles-and-apparitions/

I still think this is the entirely wrong way to go about this, but at least it is a more skeptical approach than previously

and of course:

J. J. Lodder
2024-05-19 09:36:34 UTC
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Post by Burkhard
New rules out on how to determine miracles, with Vatican approval
https://wherepeteris.com/new-vatican-rules-for-miracles-and-apparitions/
I still think this is the entirely wrong way to go about this, but at
least it is a more skeptical approach than previously
Perhaps, but they just had to.
In the olden days a saint needed to perform three authentic miracles
in order to become one.
With the progres of medical science genuine authetic miracles were
getting too hard to come by.
(the 'devils advocate' is having a too easy job)

So the requirement on performing miracles as the key to sainthood
has de facto been dropped.
(a dead pope could become a saint just by popular demand)
This makes a more relaxed official attitude to miracles necessary.
But the folklore has to be kept up, for at least another generation.

Jan
(just guessing)
Post by Burkhard
http://youtu.be/l8-8WJxA-cI
JTEM
2024-05-20 12:57:07 UTC
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Post by J. J. Lodder
Perhaps, but they just had to.
In the olden days a saint needed to perform three authentic miracles
in order to become one.
With the progres of medical science genuine authetic miracles were
getting too hard to come by.
(the 'devils advocate' is having a too easy job)
Can you give us some examples?
Post by J. J. Lodder
So the requirement on performing miracles as the key to sainthood
has de facto been dropped.
When? Where? Do you have a cite?
Post by J. J. Lodder
(a dead pope could become a saint just by popular demand)
Examples?
Post by J. J. Lodder
This makes a more relaxed official attitude to miracles necessary.
How is it "Relaxed?"
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