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CDC study with willful misinformation?
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RonO
2025-01-09 16:37:44 UTC
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https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/31/2/24-1147_article#r3

This should have been a simple straight forward study, but the CDC uses
it to put out misinformation (they are lying by the lie of omission and
making misleading conclusions)

Recently after the Washington poultry workers were found to have been
infected by the dairy virus (H5N1 genotype B3.13) the CDC stopped
identifying infections as that genotype for Oregon poultry worker, and
the California and Washington cat cases. If they had the dairy virus it
would mean that Oregon likely had infected dairies and that the virus
might have gotten into the cattle meat supply for Washington and
California cat food.

It is wrong to withhold that information and wrong to not act upon it.
The USDA and FDA should have started to look to see if infected cattle
were being processed in those states. Instead they just recalled the
cat food and made the big cat sanctuary get rid of their meat supply.

This should have been a straight forward study comparison of the dairy
virus with the the original Asian H5N1 virus that had 50% mortality in
humans. The dairy virus (genotype B3.13) was already known to have half
it's genome come from the Asian strain including the H5 and N1 genes,
but the other half of the genome came from two other avian influenza
virus one of which was low path. The Texas isolate has been known to
have a different sequence than the virus that eventually spread through
the Texas herds. It must have come from early in the infection of dairy
cattle. The Ohio strain is more closely related to what they have now
circulating in California, but still has a different sequence than the
B3.13 that infected the Missouri patient.

The study shows that the Asian virus infection of lung tissue is more
severe than either the Texas or Ohio dairy virus. They did not have the
D1.1 genotype that is another reassorted H5N1 influenza, but it produces
very severe respiratory infections in humans (the Louisiana patient died
of the infection and the Canadian patient was in critical condition at
one point and could not breath without assistance).

The sad thing about this study is the misinformation that the CDC wants
to spread about the dairy virus. Because they have failed to control
the virus spread among dairy workers (they didn't even try) they are
making stupid claims about how the workers are being infected.

QUOTE:
By January 6, 2025, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention had
confirmed 66 human cases of HPAI H5N1 virus infection in the United
States (https://www.cdc.gov/bird-flu/situation-summary/index.html). Many
of those cases were linked to exposure to infected cattle. However,
recent outbreaks in Colorado have resulted in identification of
additional human cases linked to infected poultry (3). Virus isolated
from a worker at a dairy farm in Texas (A/Texas/37/2024) was shown to be
closely related to viruses circulating in cattle, suggesting that this
case was likely a result of direct cow-to-human transmission (4).
Reported human symptoms included conjunctivitis, 1 person reported mild
respiratory symptoms (5) , and 1 person died
(https://ldh.la.gov/news/H5N1-deathExternal Link). Those symptoms
starkly contrast prior HPAI H5N1 virus infections in humans, which
resulted in severe respiratory disease and death in nearly 50% of cases
(6). To assess the risk for developing severe disease after infection
with contemporary HPAI H5N1 virus, we evaluated virus replication, host
cell survival, and induction of innate immune responses in human
alveolar epithelium infected with A/Texas/37/2024 or cattle isolate
A/bovine/Ohio/B24OSU-342/2024, compared with a historic H5N1 isolate
(A/Vietnam/1203/2004) derived from a fatal human case in 2004 (7).
END QUOTE:

For some reason the CDC does not want to make the distinction between
the dairy virus and the D1.1 genotype that is coming from wild birds.
It looks like they want to blame birds for human infections. They note
that poultry workers get infected by virus infecting poultry, but do not
identify that all these infections were due to the dairy virus that was
brought onto those poultry farms by dairy workers who work on both dairy
and poultry farms. It looks like they want to start blaming birds
instead of dairy cattle for the issues that we may have with the next
pandemic due to their inaction.

As stupid as it may seem they do not make the distinction between the
fatality in Louisiana from the dairy infections. The D1.1 genotype came
from wild birds infecting backyard poultry that infected the human
patient in Louisiana. The CDC needs to deal with these infections in a
totally different way than they are not dealing with the dairy virus.

The Dairy infection would have likely been over by now if the CDC and
USDA had implemented contact tracing and testing dairy herds and dairy
workers. Instead they allowed the disease to freely spread by infected
dairy workers. If they had identified all the infected herds and tested
the workers on each farm they would have known which workers could not
go to other farms. Nearly all the commercial poultry infections could
have been avoided by restricting infected dairy workers from going to
poultry farms, and many states would have not been infected if they had
restricted infected dairy workers from going to other states and working
on dairy farms.

For the D1.1 genotype the CDC needs to start tracking people with wild
bird contact (pet birds and commercial free range farms). They need to
warn these people that they need to monitor their animals and at the
first signs of infection they need to contact the proper authorities and
minimize contact with the animals. The D1.1 virus is a respiratory
infection and the mutations needed to better infect humans are selected
for very rapidly in the infection (both D1.1 patients produced virus
with the mutations needed to better infect humans and both had very
severe symptoms). The possiblity of infection has to be minimized for
people with bird contact. The CDC should be thinking about vaccinating
these people against the D1.1 genotype. They need to survey wild birds
and find out where the D1.1 genotype exists at this time. We know that
it is spread across North America. They know what mutations are
selected for in the two known patients and they can use those virus in
the D1.1 vaccine.

What the CDC is not acknowledging is that both D1.1 patients produced
the next pandemic virus, but fortunately they did not infect other
people. Both patients produced virus with the mutations that we do not
want to see in an avian influenza virus. The CDC should be doing
everything that it can to reduce the chance of the next human infection.

Ron Okimoto
RonO
2025-01-11 02:38:28 UTC
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Post by RonO
https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/31/2/24-1147_article#r3
This should have been a simple straight forward study, but the CDC uses
it to put out misinformation (they are lying by the lie of omission and
making misleading conclusions)
Recently after the Washington poultry workers were found to have been
infected by the dairy virus (H5N1 genotype B3.13) the CDC stopped
identifying infections as that genotype for Oregon poultry worker, and
the California and Washington cat cases.  If they had the dairy virus it
would mean that Oregon likely had infected dairies and that the virus
might have gotten into the cattle meat supply for Washington and
California cat food.
It is wrong to withhold that information and wrong to not act upon it.
The USDA and FDA should have started to look to see if infected cattle
were being processed in those states.  Instead they just recalled the
cat food and made the big cat sanctuary get rid of their meat supply.
This should have been a straight forward study comparison of the dairy
virus with the the original Asian H5N1 virus that had 50% mortality in
humans.  The dairy virus (genotype B3.13) was already known to have half
it's genome come from the Asian strain including the H5 and N1 genes,
but the other half of the genome came from two other avian influenza
virus one of which was low path.  The Texas isolate has been known to
have a different sequence than the virus that eventually spread through
the Texas herds.  It must have come from early in the infection of dairy
cattle.  The Ohio strain is more closely related to what they have now
circulating in California, but still has a different sequence than the
B3.13 that infected the Missouri patient.
The study shows that the Asian virus infection of lung tissue is more
severe than either the Texas or Ohio dairy virus.  They did not have the
D1.1 genotype that is another reassorted H5N1 influenza, but it produces
very severe respiratory infections in humans (the Louisiana patient died
of the infection and the Canadian patient was in critical condition at
one point and could not breath without assistance).
The sad thing about this study is the misinformation that the CDC wants
to spread about the dairy virus.  Because they have failed to control
the virus spread among dairy workers (they didn't even try) they are
making stupid claims about how the workers are being infected.
By January 6, 2025, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention had
confirmed 66 human cases of HPAI H5N1 virus infection in the United
States (https://www.cdc.gov/bird-flu/situation-summary/index.html). Many
of those cases were linked to exposure to infected cattle. However,
recent outbreaks in Colorado have resulted in identification of
additional human cases linked to infected poultry (3). Virus isolated
from a worker at a dairy farm in Texas (A/Texas/37/2024) was shown to be
closely related to viruses circulating in cattle, suggesting that this
case was likely a result of direct cow-to-human transmission (4).
Reported human symptoms included conjunctivitis, 1 person reported mild
respiratory symptoms (5) , and 1 person died (https://ldh.la.gov/news/
H5N1-deathExternal Link). Those symptoms starkly contrast prior HPAI
H5N1 virus infections in humans, which resulted in severe respiratory
disease and death in nearly 50% of cases (6). To assess the risk for
developing severe disease after infection with contemporary HPAI H5N1
virus, we evaluated virus replication, host cell survival, and induction
of innate immune responses in human alveolar epithelium infected with A/
Texas/37/2024 or cattle isolate A/bovine/Ohio/B24OSU-342/2024, compared
with a historic H5N1 isolate (A/Vietnam/1203/2004) derived from a fatal
human case in 2004 (7).
For some reason the CDC does not want to make the distinction between
the dairy virus and the D1.1 genotype that is coming from wild birds. It
looks like they want to blame birds for human infections.  They note
that poultry workers get infected by virus infecting poultry, but do not
identify that all these infections were due to the dairy virus that was
brought onto those poultry farms by dairy workers who work on both dairy
and poultry farms.  It looks like they want to start blaming birds
instead of dairy cattle for the issues that we may have with the next
pandemic due to their inaction.
As stupid as it may seem they do not make the distinction between the
fatality in Louisiana from the dairy infections.  The D1.1 genotype came
from wild birds infecting backyard poultry that infected the human
patient in Louisiana.  The CDC needs to deal with these infections in a
totally different way than they are not dealing with the dairy virus.
The Dairy infection would have likely been over by now if the CDC and
USDA had implemented contact tracing and testing dairy herds and dairy
workers.  Instead they allowed the disease to freely spread by infected
dairy workers.  If they had identified all the infected herds and tested
the workers on each farm they would have known which workers could not
go to other farms.  Nearly all the commercial poultry infections could
have been avoided by restricting infected dairy workers from going to
poultry farms, and many states would have not been infected if they had
restricted infected dairy workers from going to other states and working
on dairy farms.
For the D1.1 genotype the CDC needs to start tracking people with wild
bird contact (pet birds and commercial free range farms).  They need to
warn these people that they need to monitor their animals and at the
first signs of infection they need to contact the proper authorities and
minimize contact with the animals.  The D1.1 virus is a respiratory
infection and the mutations needed to better infect humans are selected
for very rapidly in the infection (both D1.1 patients produced virus
with the mutations needed to better infect humans and both had very
severe symptoms).  The possiblity of infection has to be minimized for
people with bird contact.  The CDC should be thinking about vaccinating
these people against the D1.1 genotype.  They need to survey wild birds
and find out where the D1.1 genotype exists at this time.  We know that
it is spread across North America.  They know what mutations are
selected for in the two known patients and they can use those virus in
the D1.1 vaccine.
What the CDC is not acknowledging is that both D1.1 patients produced
the next pandemic virus, but fortunately they did not infect other
people.  Both patients produced virus with the mutations that we do not
want to see in an avian influenza virus.  The CDC should be doing
everything that it can to reduce the chance of the next human infection.
Ron Okimoto
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/avian-influenza-bird-flu/avian-flu-strikes-more-us-poultry-east-coast-and-midwest

More poultry flocks are going down, but they continue to suppress the
information as to whether it is the Dairy virus (genotype B3.13) or
genotype D1.1. Genotype D1.1 is the worst in terms of the danger to humans.

The Backyard flock infections are likely genotype D1.1 from wild birds,
and they need to respond differently to those infections than they are
doing for the dairy virus. They need to minimize human contact with
sick birds, and they have to do everything that they can to keep those
that have contact with the sick birds protected.

The commercial poultry operations are likely getting infected by the
dairy virus from nearby dairy herds and sharing workers.

Ron Okimoto
RonO
2025-01-11 15:17:02 UTC
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Post by RonO
Post by RonO
https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/31/2/24-1147_article#r3
This should have been a simple straight forward study, but the CDC
uses it to put out misinformation (they are lying by the lie of
omission and making misleading conclusions)
Recently after the Washington poultry workers were found to have been
infected by the dairy virus (H5N1 genotype B3.13) the CDC stopped
identifying infections as that genotype for Oregon poultry worker, and
the California and Washington cat cases.  If they had the dairy virus
it would mean that Oregon likely had infected dairies and that the
virus might have gotten into the cattle meat supply for Washington and
California cat food.
It is wrong to withhold that information and wrong to not act upon it.
The USDA and FDA should have started to look to see if infected cattle
were being processed in those states.  Instead they just recalled the
cat food and made the big cat sanctuary get rid of their meat supply.
This should have been a straight forward study comparison of the dairy
virus with the the original Asian H5N1 virus that had 50% mortality in
humans.  The dairy virus (genotype B3.13) was already known to have
half it's genome come from the Asian strain including the H5 and N1
genes, but the other half of the genome came from two other avian
influenza virus one of which was low path.  The Texas isolate has been
known to have a different sequence than the virus that eventually
spread through the Texas herds.  It must have come from early in the
infection of dairy cattle.  The Ohio strain is more closely related to
what they have now circulating in California, but still has a
different sequence than the B3.13 that infected the Missouri patient.
The study shows that the Asian virus infection of lung tissue is more
severe than either the Texas or Ohio dairy virus.  They did not have
the D1.1 genotype that is another reassorted H5N1 influenza, but it
produces very severe respiratory infections in humans (the Louisiana
patient died of the infection and the Canadian patient was in critical
condition at one point and could not breath without assistance).
The sad thing about this study is the misinformation that the CDC
wants to spread about the dairy virus.  Because they have failed to
control the virus spread among dairy workers (they didn't even try)
they are making stupid claims about how the workers are being infected.
By January 6, 2025, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention had
confirmed 66 human cases of HPAI H5N1 virus infection in the United
States (https://www.cdc.gov/bird-flu/situation-summary/index.html).
Many of those cases were linked to exposure to infected cattle.
However, recent outbreaks in Colorado have resulted in identification
of additional human cases linked to infected poultry (3). Virus
isolated from a worker at a dairy farm in Texas (A/Texas/37/2024) was
shown to be closely related to viruses circulating in cattle,
suggesting that this case was likely a result of direct cow-to-human
transmission (4). Reported human symptoms included conjunctivitis, 1
person reported mild respiratory symptoms (5) , and 1 person died
(https://ldh.la.gov/news/ H5N1-deathExternal Link). Those symptoms
starkly contrast prior HPAI H5N1 virus infections in humans, which
resulted in severe respiratory disease and death in nearly 50% of
cases (6). To assess the risk for developing severe disease after
infection with contemporary HPAI H5N1 virus, we evaluated virus
replication, host cell survival, and induction of innate immune
responses in human alveolar epithelium infected with A/ Texas/37/2024
or cattle isolate A/bovine/Ohio/B24OSU-342/2024, compared with a
historic H5N1 isolate (A/Vietnam/1203/2004) derived from a fatal human
case in 2004 (7).
For some reason the CDC does not want to make the distinction between
the dairy virus and the D1.1 genotype that is coming from wild birds.
It looks like they want to blame birds for human infections.  They
note that poultry workers get infected by virus infecting poultry, but
do not identify that all these infections were due to the dairy virus
that was brought onto those poultry farms by dairy workers who work on
both dairy and poultry farms.  It looks like they want to start
blaming birds instead of dairy cattle for the issues that we may have
with the next pandemic due to their inaction.
As stupid as it may seem they do not make the distinction between the
fatality in Louisiana from the dairy infections.  The D1.1 genotype
came from wild birds infecting backyard poultry that infected the
human patient in Louisiana.  The CDC needs to deal with these
infections in a totally different way than they are not dealing with
the dairy virus.
The Dairy infection would have likely been over by now if the CDC and
USDA had implemented contact tracing and testing dairy herds and dairy
workers.  Instead they allowed the disease to freely spread by
infected dairy workers.  If they had identified all the infected herds
and tested the workers on each farm they would have known which
workers could not go to other farms.  Nearly all the commercial
poultry infections could have been avoided by restricting infected
dairy workers from going to poultry farms, and many states would have
not been infected if they had restricted infected dairy workers from
going to other states and working on dairy farms.
For the D1.1 genotype the CDC needs to start tracking people with wild
bird contact (pet birds and commercial free range farms).  They need
to warn these people that they need to monitor their animals and at
the first signs of infection they need to contact the proper
authorities and minimize contact with the animals.  The D1.1 virus is
a respiratory infection and the mutations needed to better infect
humans are selected for very rapidly in the infection (both D1.1
patients produced virus with the mutations needed to better infect
humans and both had very severe symptoms).  The possiblity of
infection has to be minimized for people with bird contact.  The CDC
should be thinking about vaccinating these people against the D1.1
genotype.  They need to survey wild birds and find out where the D1.1
genotype exists at this time.  We know that it is spread across North
America.  They know what mutations are selected for in the two known
patients and they can use those virus in the D1.1 vaccine.
What the CDC is not acknowledging is that both D1.1 patients produced
the next pandemic virus, but fortunately they did not infect other
people.  Both patients produced virus with the mutations that we do
not want to see in an avian influenza virus.  The CDC should be doing
everything that it can to reduce the chance of the next human infection.
Ron Okimoto
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/avian-influenza-bird-flu/avian-flu-strikes-
more-us-poultry-east-coast-and-midwest
More poultry flocks are going down, but they continue to suppress the
information as to whether it is the Dairy virus (genotype B3.13) or
genotype D1.1.  Genotype D1.1 is the worst in terms of the danger to
humans.
The Backyard flock infections are likely genotype D1.1 from wild birds,
and they need to respond differently to those infections than they are
doing for the dairy virus.  They need to minimize human contact with
sick birds, and they have to do everything that they can to keep those
that have contact with the sick birds protected.
The commercial poultry operations are likely getting infected by the
dairy virus from nearby dairy herds and sharing workers.
Ron Okimoto
https://news.wsu.edu/news/2025/01/10/murrow-leading-national-h5n1-communications-for-dairy-workers/

From the information in this article the USDA has apparently given a
grant to a group of researchers to put out misinformation propaganda on
the dairy virus.

They do not seem to want to distrubute the information that is
available, but want to support the USDA's inadequate response to the
dairy infection.

One lie is the one about the milk supply being safe. The CDC's own
research indicated that infective virus could survive the most common
form of pasteurization last October. The FDA claimed that they were
going to test the milk supply, again, but absolutely nothing seems to
have been done. No movement, even after the Missouri patient and the
child in California that were infected with the dairy virus and their
only contact with cattle was the milk that they drank. The FDA claimed
to be looking for volunteers for their testing project, but nothing
else. They claim that the milk supply is safe only because they refuse
to do the research to determine that it is not.

I doubt that they are going to give out any information on how the dairy
virus has been spreading among dairy herds and poultry farms because the
USDA has been denying it's own results determining that dairy workers on
infected farms also worked on the infected poultry farms in Michigan.
That has been down played since they knew about it in June. Dairy work
is often part time, and a lot of dairy workers work at more than one
dairy and 7% were found to also work on commercial poultry farms.

If the USDA had tried to identify all the infected herds in order to
identify infected workers, and limit worker movement from infected farms
the dairy infection would have likely been over by now, and probably
wouldn't have even gotten to California, nor infected the millions of
commercial chickens that have gotten infected by the dairy workers.

Ron Okimoto

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